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Measure in Liquid Form

If you get orals (adex/nolva) in liquid form instead of pill form, approximately how much liquid do you get from the “drops” from the eyedrop?

Figuring out the mg of compound from there is easy, but I haven’t been able to find anywhere or think of an easy way to measure the size of the drops.

Long time member, many people in the area know my other name so had to make an alter ego for posting in this forum, so I’m not some lazy kid who didn’t do any searching or try googling the answer.

Thanx

Just buy an oral syringe.

or buy a regular one and stick a 23g needle on it for drawing up the solution/suspension.

STU

I use either a pipet or a syringe, each one has mg markers on the side.

If I use a syringe I do not use a needle thoudh, a 2ml syringe is small enough to fit into my adex bottle.

use a syringe without needles (they can be cut off the microfine pins)… i have bought them in the UK and the States. Only some states allow you to sbuy sryinges over the counter, and you will need ID.

Joe

Next time buy your research chems from a company that is nice enough to put the measurements right on the dropper itself.

Either that or draw up 1 ml of liquid in the dropper and count the amount of drops per ml.

Thanks for all the quick replies fellas. I figured I would need to measure it in a syringe eventually. Figured I would check beforehand if there was an approximate amount in each eyedropper drop.

Lilguy-if your post implying the research chem company pushed by a prominent member? It would be good to know if they do put the measurements on the dropper for my future purchases. If I remember correctly, when I was looking between 3 of them, that particular company didn’t have smaller sizes.

I’m running prop only cycle 150mg eod and have heard a lot of back and forth wether adex is needed in a test only cycle, how much is needed, and that too much can be worse than not enough. Figured I would start low and slowly ramp up and find the amount that makes me feel best and stay away from sides. I think I found that level of “drops” so I wanted to measure it out for my personal knowledge.

Back to the point, let me know if you are saying that research chem company does put measures on the side. It would be worth the leftovers for that conveniance.

Buy a oral syringe made for a baby @ walmarts.

They are for sure the “one” that puts measurements on their droppers.

Very simple to measure out 1/4 or 1/2 ml.

very good to know lilguy thanks.

And I am going to go to walmart tonight, real good idea thunder, much better than ordering one and waiting.

[quote]thunder01 wrote:
Buy a oral syringe made for a baby @ walmarts. [/quote]

works for me

[quote]durden87 wrote:
Thanks for all the quick replies fellas. I figured I would need to measure it in a syringe eventually. Figured I would check beforehand if there was an approximate amount in each eyedropper drop.

Lilguy-if your post implying the research chem company pushed by a prominent member? It would be good to know if they do put the measurements on the dropper for my future purchases. If I remember correctly, when I was looking between 3 of them, that particular company didn’t have smaller sizes.

I’m running prop only cycle 150mg eod and have heard a lot of back and forth wether adex is needed in a test only cycle, how much is needed, and that too much can be worse than not enough. Figured I would start low and slowly ramp up and find the amount that makes me feel best and stay away from sides. I think I found that level of “drops” so I wanted to measure it out for my personal knowledge.

Back to the point, let me know if you are saying that research chem company does put measures on the side. It would be worth the leftovers for that conveniance.[/quote]

Yes adex is recommended for a test only cycle… now i have my doubts about you…! Why wouldnt it? It aromatizes much!

Joe

Yes adex is recommended for a test only cycle… now i have my doubts about you…! Why wouldnt it? It aromatizes much!

Joe

I got the adex and I am taking it. I spent a ton of time lurking these and other forums. I can’t pinpoint whether I read it, or was told it by people in conversations, but I definately remember being told or reading that a shorter ester like prop doesn’t aromatize as much so adex isn’t as important as some of the longer tests. Also since it is a small cycle (only about 500mg a week) its not that important. There was even a little debate in one of these forums whether it was better to start the adex with the first injection, or wait a week or 2. Some people take their adex ed, others eod, some take .1mg, .25, .5 mg. Somebody just brought back up the old article that says you can take like 1mg adex ed as a stand alone.

There is a lot of conflicting opinions out there.

In the end I went with the information on this forum and modeled my cycle a lot like the first cycles a lot of people ran very successfully.

And I’m not arguing with you, I have lurked a lot, and know how stupid some people who post are and the bashing is done with the good intention of stopping someone from screwing thereself up. I appreciate your post and concern Joe, just wanted to ensure you that I did enough research and settled on the safe side and do take the adex.

I know you aren’t arguing mate. dont worry…

i see what you mean now… It depends is the answer.

Prop is a short acting ester… so it doesnt have as much time to aromatize… also if problems occur, then they will end soon too - but with cyp etc thay can continue for two weeks or whatever…

It depends on how sensitive you are to estrogenic sides… keep it on hand and begin at 0.25mg EOD when you start to see any problems. Then increase that to ED and up from there if necessary.

Most (me included) prefer to run the adex from the beginning, and even with 500mg of test alot of people (Me included) would get some gyno if no AI was used.

Th truth is alot of size and strength is provided by estrogen activity during a cycle so reducing it when there is no need can reduce gains somewhat (debatable IMO).

it is upto you how you play it… whether it is from day 1, week 2 or when needed… if you want a compromise, use it from week 2. Unless you are really sensitive, you shouldnt see problems in the first week. I am sensitive and i dont.

Does this clear it up a little?

Joe

Exactly, thats pretty much the conclusion I arrived at reading around here. Being my first run I wasn’t sure how I would react to everything. I started the adex from the first injection (the arguement for doing that made sense). And since everyone responds different, I figured I would see how many drops put me at a level where I felt good and stay around there.

I have nolva on hand. So I figured if guessed too low and sides came up I was prepared to take care of them and would know I needed more adex. Like you said, prop sides will go away relatively quicker than some of the longer esters, and I would rather do it that way then to start with too much adex. I think noticing gyno would be easier than noticing a slow down in gains since I didn’t know exactly what kind of gains I could expect. Also, I read in a few places the younger you are the more adex limits estrogen, and I am younger than 30, so I took that into account.

I will say that I’m about 6 weeks in and feel like I really am hitting my stride the last couple weeks, so I think I am at the right dose for me. So far no neg sides as far as I can tell.

Thanks for your post. Its always nice to hear other peoples opinions when they are intelligent ones.

thankyou!

Good luck!

Joe