@PX: in regards to you saying guys wanting 18"+ arms have to spread things out a bit more: are you saying it’s more complicated than calories in vs calories out? i have no problem eating 3 massively huge meals in a day, i’ve just seen so many people advocating that you’ll shrivel up into a stick-man unless you eat 6 meals a day so I’ve been reticent to reduce # of meals in favor of larger meals.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Zooguido wrote:
Thanks for all the responses, guys.
@C_C: I definitely understand what you’re saying. I’ve only been lifting seriously for 3 months now so I’m still discovering what my body responds to best in terms of eating and calories in/out. I’ve been trying to stay between 6-7k cals/day, though (i’m 6’ 9", 215 and naturally lean… sucks putting on weight haha.) I have a large stomache (imo), so eating 3 meals a day shouldn’t be a problem for me. For meal 2 today I ate 1.5 pepperoni pizzas and a plate of lettuce, lol. Then an hour later I had a double cheeseburger… and now I’m going to go eat 2 more double cheeseburgers and a few slices of pizza…
@PX: I’m certainly not trying to stay “toned” but I’m not trying to be a bodybuilder either. I asked here because bodybuilders seem to have nutrition down to a science in both bulking/maintenance/cutting phases. My goals lie more in the realm of performance training if anything and I’m not worried about putting on fat; I’m actually scared that I won’t put on fat.
@Marzouk: lol
@ryan: Yeah. I just need to get more familiar with my body and its needs.
@K-Man: ROFL
@DWN: Indeed, sir.
@a_b: What’s your body habitus like? How did you arrive at that conclusion? I only ask because it seems to be working for you.
@Blackaggar: That’s what I’m beginning to lean towards.
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I can see you like the spills.[/quote]
LOL. I just didn’t want to quote everyone and take up 78530105 pages. But yes… yes I do…
[quote]Zooguido wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Zooguido wrote:
Thanks for all the responses, guys.
@C_C: I definitely understand what you’re saying. I’ve only been lifting seriously for 3 months now so I’m still discovering what my body responds to best in terms of eating and calories in/out. I’ve been trying to stay between 6-7k cals/day, though (i’m 6’ 9", 215 and naturally lean… sucks putting on weight haha.) I have a large stomache (imo), so eating 3 meals a day shouldn’t be a problem for me. For meal 2 today I ate 1.5 pepperoni pizzas and a plate of lettuce, lol. Then an hour later I had a double cheeseburger… and now I’m going to go eat 2 more double cheeseburgers and a few slices of pizza…
@PX: I’m certainly not trying to stay “toned” but I’m not trying to be a bodybuilder either. I asked here because bodybuilders seem to have nutrition down to a science in both bulking/maintenance/cutting phases. My goals lie more in the realm of performance training if anything and I’m not worried about putting on fat; I’m actually scared that I won’t put on fat.
@Marzouk: lol
@ryan: Yeah. I just need to get more familiar with my body and its needs.
@K-Man: ROFL
@DWN: Indeed, sir.
@a_b: What’s your body habitus like? How did you arrive at that conclusion? I only ask because it seems to be working for you.
@Blackaggar: That’s what I’m beginning to lean towards.
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I can see you like the spills.[/quote]
LOL. I just didn’t want to quote everyone and take up 78530105 pages. But yes… yes I do…[/quote]
It’s OK. I was joking around.
[quote]Zooguido wrote:
@PX: in regards to you saying guys wanting 18"+ arms have to spread things out a bit more: are you saying it’s more complicated than calories in vs calories out? i have no problem eating 3 massively huge meals in a day, i’ve just seen so many people advocating that you’ll shrivel up into a stick-man unless you eat 6 meals a day so I’ve been reticent to reduce # of meals in favor of larger meals.[/quote]
What is the deal with people getting caught up in numbers?
If you really could eat that well, you would be bigger than you are.
You already said your goals are not to even get that big, so why in the world would you follow advice meant for people with that goal?
Yes, if you want to be really big, you will likely have to eat more often.
If your goals are minimal, no one cares how many times you eat.
There is nothing magic about the number SIX. The entire concept began in BODYBUILDING and was meant for BODYBUILDERS to get huge off it.
Why are people with lesser goals the ones making this so complicated?
By the way, you still have not defined exactly what your goals even are, so how could anyone advise you on the process?
Also, some key points seem to be getting missed. I can’t remember ever gaining at an optimal rate on ONLY 3,000cals a day.
OF FREAKING COURSE the guy only taking in 3,000cals can maybe get that much in 3 meals.
The guy who needs damn near 5,000 or more will not be able to…and guess who is most likely to make enough progress for people to not recognize them?
You don’t gain 100lbs of lean body mass by “eating only when hungry” unless you can really pack some food away in one sitting.
Most of the people acting like that aren’t really growing that fast and they know it.
Diets are going to be individualist, we all have different genetics…As far as body composition for myself, I PERSONALLY found less frequent and larger meals to yield better results. But I have friends who eat 8 meals and can stay big and lean, all comes down to the person and also which diet fits their lifestyle.
I firmly believe that the longer in between meals, less insulin spikes, and periods of fasting do increase insulin sensitivity. This is great for fat loss, which we have all acknowledged, but can also be important when trying to gain. If you are handling carbs and nutrients more efficiently you should be able to add some “good” weight. Either way there are going to be times where you may need to eat when not hungry, whether it be 1 or 8 meals a day, but that is just part of trying to accomplish a goal and gain size.
@PX: sorry i dont agree with you on people not being able to hit 5000+ cals into 3 meals. I can easily do that with out breaking a sweat and i dont even drink any calories and i keep it “clean”. But i do agree that not everyone is shall i say gifted like that in the eating department. If i at until i was full every time i ate i would be the fattest person on the planet because i can eat practically forever as long as there is food in front of me. But again thats me. Some peopel do need to eat many times and drink lots of calroeis because they cannot stomach a lot of food. Its very personal.
What i am interested is the hormal response to the meal sizes and what would create the most optimal hormonal enviroment for bulking.
Long Term Goals (not done in any particular order):
Deadlift: 2.5x BW 1RM (625)
Back Squat: 2.20x BW 1RM (550)
Bench: 1.5x BW 1RM (375)
Vertical: 40" (unrealistic, I know, but I figure I’ll shoot for the stars and see what happens… literally…)
CnJ: 315
Snatch: 275
BW: 250
BF: <10%
I just started lifting seriously 3 months ago.
[quote]You already said your goals are not to even get that big, so why in the world would you follow advice meant for people with that goal?
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I presumed the dietary requirements for bodybuilding were the same as being an athlete. Calories in vs calories out, yes?
[quote]If your goals are minimal, no one cares how many times you eat.
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I can’t see a 625 lb dl as minimal.
[quote]Why are people with lesser goals the ones making this so complicated?
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I wouldn’t be asking if I was trying to be a shitty athlete.
[quote]Also, some key points seem to be getting missed. I can’t remember ever gaining at an optimal rate on ONLY 3,000cals a day.
OF FREAKING COURSE the guy only taking in 3,000cals can maybe get that much in 3 meals. [/quote]
I already stated I eat 6-7k cals/day.
[quote]Zooguido wrote:
Long Term Goals (not done in any particular order):
Deadlift: 2.5x BW 1RM (625)
Back Squat: 2.20x BW 1RM (550)
Bench: 1.5x BW 1RM (375)
Vertical: 40" (unrealistic, I know, but I figure I’ll shoot for the stars and see what happens… literally…)
CnJ: 315
Snatch: 275
BW: 250
BF: <10%[/quote]
You are on a bodybuilding forum. Why would you think a question of goals in reference to how you eat would mean strength gains?
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO LOOK LIKE?
Your goals have EVERYTHING to do with your approach.
You think you could find a pic similar to what your goal is?
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I presumed the dietary requirements for bodybuilding were the same as being an athlete. Calories in vs calories out, yes?[/quote]
Wrong. An athlete is usually NOT focused on trying to gain the most muscle possible in a given period of time. Their approach has to do with PERFORMANCE, not how they look.
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I can’t see a 625 lb dl as minimal.[/quote]
Who cares how much you deadlift?
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I wouldn’t be asking if I was trying to be a shitty athlete.[/quote]
BODYBUILDING FORUM
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I already stated I eat 6-7k cals/day.[/quote]
Gee, maybe that is enough and maybe it isn’t. Your progress is what determines that.
How much do you weigh now? How tall are you?
Well shit.
6’ 9"
215 lbs
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gee, maybe that is enough and maybe it isn’t. Your progress is what determines that.
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Whoa, whoa big fella. Wait a second. Are you saying that the amount of calories one will need might change during a training career?!
I’m calling B/S.
Holy shit, dude. No, that may not be enough food for someone your size. Yes, I could see someone your size needing more than 2 or 3 meals unless you eat like a linebacker.
This is why people ask questions. You’re a giant and you are worried about meal frequency?
Basketball players your size would be eating all day.
Thank you for answering my question.
My dad played pro and literally ate sticks of butter in between loaves of bread but couldn’t weigh over 230 in the off-season. I’m guessing it’s because he was eating sticks of butter in between loaves of bread.
[quote]Zooguido wrote:
Thank you for answering my question.
My dad played pro and literally ate sticks of butter in between loaves of bread but couldn’t weigh over 230 in the off-season. I’m guessing it’s because he was eating sticks of butter in between loaves of bread.[/quote]
IMO, you’re looking at it the wrong way. It should say this:
“I’m guessing it’s because he wasn’t eating ENOUGH sticks of butter in between loaves of bread.”
Seriously though, X is right. Eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat. Your body can support it. You’re a BIG dude. Google Dalip Singh. That guy is putting away a lot of food, I can guarantee that.
[quote]Dont Want None wrote:
I agree 100% with CC… I’ve done the 7 meals (6 food, 1 shake) a day, I’ve done the IF (nothing until Dinner), and now I’m somewhere in the middle (breakfast, lunch, WO stuff, dinner, and pre-bed).
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Same here. Started out doing the 6-8 meals a day thing, tried out intermittent fasting, tried some other stuff… eventually, I went back to somewhere in the middle just like you. Old-school breakfast, lunch, dinner, and a snack wherever, like we’ve been doing since existence, lol. Today for example, it went like this:
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8 oz bison burger, handful almonds, apple, fish oil
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WO nutrition (2 SWF, 2 Mag, 1 Ana)
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10 oz chicken, 1.5 cup rice, veggies
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1+ cup Greek yogurt, 1 scoop MD, 2 tbsp cocoa nibs, 2 tbsp flax meal
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4 eggs, 4 deli ham slices, veggies, grass-fed cheddar, cooked in coconut oil (omelet), fish oil
and yes, lately my carbs are a bit lower, this is how I want it right now since I’m ‘re-comping’, or whatever.
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]Zooguido wrote:
Thank you for answering my question.
My dad played pro and literally ate sticks of butter in between loaves of bread but couldn’t weigh over 230 in the off-season. I’m guessing it’s because he was eating sticks of butter in between loaves of bread.[/quote]
IMO, you’re looking at it the wrong way. It should say this:
“I’m guessing it’s because he wasn’t eating ENOUGH sticks of butter in between loaves of bread.”
Seriously though, X is right. Eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat. Your body can support it. You’re a BIG dude. Google Dalip Singh. That guy is putting away a lot of food, I can guarantee that.[/quote]
yeahhh that guy is the man, after a google search i found that he apparently:
according to the Indian Premium News Channel Aaj Tak his daily diet is :
5 Liters of Milk
2-3 Kilograms of chicken
0.5-1 kg of dry fruits
25-30 Roti with Daal and Sabji
He is also known to consume 25 eggs at a time, 7 times a day.
seriously what the hell how can anyone eat that many eggs, if i ate 175 eggs in one day i would never be able to look at another one again
The Great Khali had a better physique when bodybuilding.
He seems just a huge lanky dude since pro wrestling move.
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]Zooguido wrote:
Thank you for answering my question.
My dad played pro and literally ate sticks of butter in between loaves of bread but couldn’t weigh over 230 in the off-season. I’m guessing it’s because he was eating sticks of butter in between loaves of bread.[/quote]
IMO, you’re looking at it the wrong way. It should say this:
“I’m guessing it’s because he wasn’t eating ENOUGH sticks of butter in between loaves of bread.”
Seriously though, X is right. Eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat. Your body can support it. You’re a BIG dude. Google Dalip Singh. That guy is putting away a lot of food, I can guarantee that.[/quote]
yeahhh that guy is the man, after a google search i found that he apparently:
according to the Indian Premium News Channel Aaj Tak his daily diet is :
5 Liters of Milk
2-3 Kilograms of chicken
0.5-1 kg of dry fruits
25-30 Roti with Daal and Sabji
He is also known to consume 25 eggs at a time, 7 times a day.
seriously what the hell how can anyone eat that many eggs, if i ate 175 eggs in one day i would never be able to look at another one again[/quote]
…wow
NEEDLESS TO SAY, I AM IMPRESSED. Going to add 75 eggs/day into my diet for a month and see where that gets me.