McCain: Too Stupid to be President?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

Flying takes brains, to be sure. But he lost 5 planes.

He couldn’t find where he parked them on the aircraft carrier?

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What I mean is this:

[quote]It’s quite true that McCain lost five jets in military service. However, that doesn’t prove he did anything wrong. However, a close reading of how he lost five planes tells a quite interesting story. For reasons that will become clear, the story is best told in reverse order.

  1. On Oct. 26, 1967 John McCain was shot down over Vietnam and ended up as a POW in North Vietnam. It was his 23rd mission over North Vietnam.

[It’s hard to remember these days, when we lose so very few jets in combat (because we developed around 1980 the technology to blind the enemy by knocking out his ground radar while we control the aerial battlefield from Airborne Warning and Control System jets almost over the horizon) that we lost 3,322 fixed-win aircraft in the Vietnam war, perhaps the majority due to enemy fire.]

  1. On July 29, 1967 his plane was destroyed by a missile accidentally fired by another plane waiting to take off. He barely survived. 134 sailors died that day. There is no evidence that McCain did anything wrong. The videos of the fires and explosions are astonishing. The first fire crew was wiped out by a bomb explosion and was replaced by volunteers in seconds. Subsequent explosions wiped out the replacement firemen. Tragically, the volunteers didn�??t know how to fight a carrier fire and made the situation worse.

  2. In 1965, he lost a plane flying home from the Army-Navy game due to mechanical failure. This was very common at the time. I once met a Vietnam pilot who lost a Phantom due to oil pressure failure. I asked what the consequences were. He said that his commanding officer was upset for 10 minutes and he had to fill out a form.

  3. He lost a plane after hitting power line over the Iberian Peninsula. Presumably pilot era.

  4. As a student pilot he lost a plane in Corpus Christi bay while trying to land.

The last 3 losses do not reflect adversely on John McCain. How about the first two? I would question whether any aviator whose name wasn�??t McCain would have survived losing a plane as a student and then hitting power lines.[/quote]

In the flying community, there’s a saying that goes, “Any landing you walk away from is a good landing.” So I guess most of McCain’s landings were good.

A commenter at the same blog offers this opinion:

[quote]I was giving McCain a pass on 2 of his 5 destroyed planes: the accident you mentioned and the one he was shot down in.

Losing 5 planes over a career that involved only 20 hours of combat missions is a big red flag.

His legendary temper, arrogance and insuborination at the Academy (and throughout his life) as the son and grandson of Admirals are tell tale clues as to the most likely explaination behind McCain’s exceptionally poor record at keeping planes in flight.

A 70+yo man like McCain’s shouting down and swearing at fellow Senators, journalists and individuals betrays a life of unchecked arrogance, conceit and immaturity.

McCain is going to make Bush II look like a shrinking daisy when it comes to craming his bad policies like amnesty for illegal immigrants down the nation’s throat.

If McCains wins the nomination Republicans would be better off voting for Hillary of Obama. Although the Dems are marginally worse policy-wise compared to McCain, they are won’t trample the Consitution and ignore established law to force their ill-conceived will on a weak-kneed Congress, uncritical MSM and largely clueless public like Bush II has done (and McCain will do even more of).[/quote]

I’m inclined to agree. For any mere mortal, losing a plane in flight school is a one-way ticket out of flight school. Hitting power lines in flight is probably a career ender. Not for McCain though.

McCain has a 133 IQ.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

McCain has a 133 IQ.[/quote]

I tend to agree that the brainpower is there - it’s the utilization I question as well as the moral turpitude.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

McCain has a 133 IQ.[/quote]

That’s like three points lower than Tony Soprano (he’s been tested!).

This raises serious doubts as to McCain’s ability to deal with Mafia-related issues.

McCain isn’t stupid… he’s old.

Now, about stupid, I have my concerns about a few around here…

[quote]nephorm wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:

McCain has a 133 IQ.

That’s like three points lower than Tony Soprano (he’s been tested!).

This raises serious doubts as to McCain’s ability to deal with Mafia-related issues.[/quote]

No problem. His wife’s father got his Arizona distributor deal through Meyer Lansky (out of NY) and the Cleveland Outfit. McCain is an Outfit guy. He dumped his first wife and married his current wife to get her daddy’s (Outfit) backing.

“From Rags to Rackets to Respectability”
— old Outfit saying

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
(2) The people have to see that gov’t is NOT the answer.

The problem is that the idea of government doing ‘something’ is heavily ingrained in the American psyche. Just like crime is easier than calculus, violence is easier to do than observe a moral code.[/quote]

What’s your answer, personal responsibility?

[quote]Majin wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
(2) The people have to see that gov’t is NOT the answer.

The problem is that the idea of government doing ‘something’ is heavily ingrained in the American psyche. Just like crime is easier than calculus, violence is easier to do than observe a moral code.

What’s your answer, personal responsibility?[/quote]

Why not? Rugged individualism is becoming a long lost quality IMHO.

[quote]Majin wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
(2) The people have to see that gov’t is NOT the answer.

The problem is that the idea of government doing ‘something’ is heavily ingrained in the American psyche. Just like crime is easier than calculus, violence is easier to do than observe a moral code.

What’s your answer, personal responsibility?
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Morality has to catch up with science. Our morality is a slave-morality, the morality of the poor and disenfranchised. Who else would think that alms and using a government club to rob the productive was good?

Who else would want guaranteed healthcare, guaranteed retirement, a guaranteed education, a guaranteed safety net of foodstamps and rent subsidies? Serfs and slaves.

Until the vast majority accepts and understands that you should get JUST EXACTLY what you have earned and deserve, and that robbing someone is a ticket to hell on earth, then this insanity will continue.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Morality has to catch up with science. Our morality is a slave-morality, the morality of the poor and disenfranchised. Who else would think that alms and using a government club to rob the productive was good?

Who else would want guaranteed healthcare, guaranteed retirement, a guaranteed education, a guaranteed safety net of foodstamps and rent subsidies? Serfs and slaves.[/quote]

And here I thought serfdom and slavery were about guaranteed lashes, guaranteed humiliation, guaranteed shackles and guaranteed rape in the bum.

Oh, well…

[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

Morality has to catch up with science. Our morality is a slave-morality, the morality of the poor and disenfranchised. Who else would think that alms and using a government club to rob the productive was good?

Who else would want guaranteed healthcare, guaranteed retirement, a guaranteed education, a guaranteed safety net of foodstamps and rent subsidies? Serfs and slaves.

And here I thought serfdom and slavery were about guaranteed lashes, guaranteed humiliation, guaranteed shackles and guaranteed rape in the bum.

Oh, well…[/quote]

What would be the morality of a slave? To beg and plead. To be humble and contrite. Now, what sort of government would people like that set up? To extract from the rich and give to the poor.

America started out as a very moral country dominated by independent farmers. Then the people who want something for nothing came to predominate. That’s a big reason we are what we are.

I don’t think you can apply such simplistic logic to the situation today.

Yes, I’m happy to agree that entitlement is simply a ridiculous state of being. However, providing assistance to ensure that people become or remain productive members of society should be a net benefit.

And, before you go there, I’m not in favor of a monolithic nanny state either.

Also, interestingly, it’s human nature (or simply nature) to be lazy, to get as much done as possible with as little work as possible…

[quote]vroom wrote:
I don’t think you can apply such simplistic logic to the situation today.

Yes, I’m happy to agree that entitlement is simply a ridiculous state of being. However, providing assistance to ensure that people become or remain productive members of society should be a net benefit.

And, before you go there, I’m not in favor of a monolithic nanny state either.

Also, interestingly, it’s human nature (or simply nature) to be lazy, to get as much done as possible with as little work as possible…[/quote]

The question is, how do we keep the social safety net from being turned into a hammock?

I vote for rubber bullets and stun guns. But hey, I’m a compassionate conservative :wink:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

Obama is not a socialist.

You’re kidding yourself if you think he is anything more than a collectivist. I find myself in agrement with Lixy, he is more of a communist.[/quote]

Communism is a belief in some magical governmentless utopia that will suddenly pop out out of nowhere after socialism has paved the way. In the end socialism is supposed to get out of the way.

Socialism is simply the government taking everything, and providing everything.

He actually does not completely fall into either category. He actually falls into socialism lite, otherwise called fascism. Where the government doesn’t own everything, they just control it.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

McCain has a 133 IQ.[/quote]

When?

[quote]The Mage wrote:
bigflamer wrote:

Obama is not a socialist.

You’re kidding yourself if you think he is anything more than a collectivist. I find myself in agrement with Lixy, he is more of a communist.

Communism is a belief in some magical governmentless utopia that will suddenly pop out out of nowhere after socialism has paved the way. In the end socialism is supposed to get out of the way.

Socialism is simply the government taking everything, and providing everything.

He actually does not completely fall into either category. He actually falls into socialism lite, otherwise called fascism. Where the government doesn’t own everything, they just control it.[/quote]

I think that the term “collectivist” is what can best describe the Obama. Either way, he apparantly doesn’t put a whole lot of stock in individual freedom.

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
I think that the term “collectivist” is what can best describe the Obama. Either way, he apparantly doesn’t put a whole lot of stock in individual freedom.
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Freedom?

You think he’s out to curtail personal freedoms?

[quote]vroom wrote:
You think he’s out to curtail personal freedoms?[/quote]

Not directly, its just the effect all protective policy has. Republicans have been doing it for the last 8 years.

[quote]vroom wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
I think that the term “collectivist” is what can best describe the Obama. Either way, he apparantly doesn’t put a whole lot of stock in individual freedom.

Freedom?

You think he’s out to curtail personal freedoms?[/quote]

Yes, I do. I believe that his political ideoligy is one that seeks to restrict the individual in the “better” interests of the state.

[i]“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK.”

-Barack Obama[/i]

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
vroom wrote:
You think he’s out to curtail personal freedoms?

Not directly, its just the effect all protective policy has. Republicans have been doing it for the last 8 years.[/quote]

Unfortunately, you’re right.