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McCain: Too Stupid to be President?

[quote]1porsche wrote:
GumsMagoo wrote:
McCain is the last, best hope for America… and that’s straight talk my friends.

Really the only reasonable choice in this election.

Obama has no integrity, (how can you resign from a church where you went for 20 years just because it hurts your campaign), no viable economic plan, and will begin to make healthcare public witch would be horrible just imagine how gov burocracy fucks everything up BMV, Justice system etc.

Imagine an industry as large as healthcare (just spent a couple months in Europe, lots of socialism specially france)

Smaller gov. for the people[/quote]

What? You mean we can’t afford to have Obama give us the second term of a Jimmy Carter presidency.

McCain is a good American. Calling him stupid is laughable and honestly doesn’t deserve a response. He’s way more qualified to run our country than that socialist Obama.

I need someone to give me a break with all the little snippets, taken without any context at all, juxtaposed across time against other snippets taken out of context, which in the aggregate are supposed to prove something.

I, for one, fail to see how McCain’s character surpasses that of Obama. The Gang of 14 crap, the videos he made for the North Vietnamese, McCain-Feingold, his Mexican nationalism, his smugness, his arrogance, the crap he pulled in the POW/MIA hearings in the 90’s. He sickens me.

http://vietnamveteransagainstmccain.com/

[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Pretty easy to pick people apart a few times and just show a video of their faults.[/quote]

Feel free to post any such video you might have made of Obama.

You know, so we can compare who’s more “stupid”.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I, for one, fail to see how McCain’s character surpasses that of Obama. The Gang of 14 crap, the videos he made for the North Vietnamese, McCain-Feingold, his Mexican nationalism, his smugness, his arrogance, the crap he pulled in the POW/MIA hearings in the 90’s. He sickens me.

http://vietnamveteransagainstmccain.com/
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You forgot the attack on our prohormone supply and reducing the UFC to a watered down catfight.

[quote]DK 14 wrote:
McCain is a good American. Calling him stupid is laughable and honestly doesn’t deserve a response. He’s way more qualified to run our country than that socialist Obama. [/quote]

McCain isn’t stupid.

but your comment is.

Obama is not a socialist.

[quote]1porsche wrote:
GumsMagoo wrote:
McCain is the last, best hope for America… and that’s straight talk my friends.

Really the only reasonable choice in this election.
Obama has no integrity, (how can you resign from a church where you went for 20 years just because it hurts your campaign), no viable economic plan, and will begin to make healthcare public witch would be horrible just imagine how gov burocracy fucks everything up BMV, Justice system etc. imagine an industry as large as healthcare (just spent a couple months in Europe, lots of socialism specially france)

Smaller gov. for the people[/quote]

Newsflash: Our healthcare system sucks, even for those fortunate enough to have it.

They (Europe/elsewhere) get better results at half the cost. Yes they do make some sacrifices, but they’re willing to do it for half the cost. We could spend more than them but less than now and achieve better results for more people. Which is good.

Also we don’t have a viable economic plan now. Obama’s is certainly better. And of course history is on Dem’s side.

[quote]100meters wrote:
DK 14 wrote:
McCain is a good American. Calling him stupid is laughable and honestly doesn’t deserve a response. He’s way more qualified to run our country than that socialist Obama.

McCain isn’t stupid.

but your comment is.

Obama is not a socialist.[/quote]

Agreed.

Obama is a communist.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

Flying takes brains, to be sure. But he lost 5 planes.

[/quote]

He couldn’t find where he parked them on the aircraft carrier?

[quote]1porsche wrote:
GumsMagoo wrote:
McCain is the last, best hope for America… and that’s straight talk my friends.

Really the only reasonable choice in this election.
Obama has no integrity, (how can you resign from a church where you went for 20 years just because it hurts your campaign), no viable economic plan, and will begin to make healthcare public witch would be horrible just imagine how gov burocracy fucks everything up BMV, Justice system etc. imagine an industry as large as healthcare (just spent a couple months in Europe, lots of socialism specially france)

Smaller gov. for the people[/quote]

Not only went to the church, he donated his own money as well as spent taxpayer money as a state senator and a US senator on their programs.

I wish McCain stood for smaller government. He is the best choice we have in this election but I am not a big fan of his.

[quote]100meters wrote:

Newsflash: Our healthcare system sucks, even for those fortunate enough to have it.

[/quote]

Wrong.

Not good for those that need to wait months for cancer treatments that are routinely done in days in the US.

[quote]

Also we don’t have a viable economic plan now. Obama’s is certainly better. And of course history is on Dem’s side.[/quote]

And the democratic primary has nothing to do with the democratic party and “without preconditions” means there are obviously preconditions.

You have made some real funny posts the last few days.

Tell us how wonderful the economy was under Carter and how Obama will duplicate it.

[quote]100meters wrote:
DK 14 wrote:
McCain is a good American. Calling him stupid is laughable and honestly doesn’t deserve a response. He’s way more qualified to run our country than that socialist Obama.

McCain isn’t stupid.

but your comment is.

Obama is not a socialist.[/quote]

You’re kidding yourself if you think he is anything more than a collectivist. I find myself in agrement with Lixy, he is more of a communist.

[quote]100meters wrote:
1porsche wrote:
GumsMagoo wrote:
McCain is the last, best hope for America… and that’s straight talk my friends.

Really the only reasonable choice in this election.
Obama has no integrity, (how can you resign from a church where you went for 20 years just because it hurts your campaign), no viable economic plan, and will begin to make healthcare public witch would be horrible just imagine how gov burocracy fucks everything up BMV, Justice system etc. imagine an industry as large as healthcare (just spent a couple months in Europe, lots of socialism specially france)

Smaller gov. for the people

Newsflash: Our healthcare system sucks, even for those fortunate enough to have it.[/quote]

Not true, and I’d like to hear your reasoning for this statement. Is it simply because it’s not state run?

If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait 'till it’s free. Costs will be improved, as will quality I’m sure, when there is more of a free market environment in both health care and insurance.

Better than McCain’s?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

Tell us how wonderful the economy was under Carter and how Obama will duplicate it.[/quote]

Good god man! If McCain is anything like Bush we might as well just become a province of China.

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
100meters wrote:
DK 14 wrote:
McCain is a good American. Calling him stupid is laughable and honestly doesn’t deserve a response. He’s way more qualified to run our country than that socialist Obama.

McCain isn’t stupid.

but your comment is.

Obama is not a socialist.

You’re kidding yourself if you think he is anything more than a collectivist. I find myself in agrement with Lixy, he is more of a communist.

[/quote]

His father was a communist and O’bama adored the guy.

“So we know that his father’s ideals were a driving force in his life, but the one thing that Obama does not give us are the contents of those ideals.”

"Obama,Sr. stakes out the following positions in his attacks on the white paper produced by Mboya’s Ministry of Economic Planning and Development:

  1. Obama advocated the communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land, as part of a forced “development plan”, an important element of his attack on the government’s advocacy of private ownership, land titles, and property registration. (p. 29)

  2. Obama advocated the nationalization of “European” and “Asian” owned enterprises, including hotels, with the control of these operations handed over to the “indigenous” black population. (pp. 32 -33)

  3. Obama advocated dramatically increasing taxation on “the rich” even up to the 100% level, arguing that, “there is no limit to taxation if the benefits derived from public services by society measure up to the cost in taxation which they have to pay” (p. 30) and that, “Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed.” (p. 31)

http://gregransom.com/prestopundit/2008/04/gregs-guide-to-barack-obamas-d.html

I don’t trust McCain. While he no doubt has seen hell I don’t think it qualifies him to run the country – in fact, I am afraid he is a complete nutjob. His biggest flaw is that he believes too strongly in the “might” of America while not understanding where it comes from.

The best we can hope for is a socialist president that helps fuel a resurgence in real conservative and libertarian values and helps change the face of Congress.

Prepare your self for a very bumpy ride for the next two years.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
100meters wrote:
DK 14 wrote:
McCain is a good American. Calling him stupid is laughable and honestly doesn’t deserve a response. He’s way more qualified to run our country than that socialist Obama.

McCain isn’t stupid.

but your comment is.

Obama is not a socialist.

You’re kidding yourself if you think he is anything more than a collectivist. I find myself in agrement with Lixy, he is more of a communist.

His father was a communist and O’bama adored the guy.

“So we know that his father’s ideals were a driving force in his life, but the one thing that Obama does not give us are the contents of those ideals.”

"Obama,Sr. stakes out the following positions in his attacks on the white paper produced by Mboya’s Ministry of Economic Planning and Development:

  1. Obama advocated the communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land, as part of a forced “development plan”, an important element of his attack on the government’s advocacy of private ownership, land titles, and property registration. (p. 29)

  2. Obama advocated the nationalization of “European” and “Asian” owned enterprises, including hotels, with the control of these operations handed over to the “indigenous” black population. (pp. 32 -33)

  3. Obama advocated dramatically increasing taxation on “the rich” even up to the 100% level, arguing that, “there is no limit to taxation if the benefits derived from public services by society measure up to the cost in taxation which they have to pay” (p. 30) and that, “Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed.” (p. 31)

http://gregransom.com/prestopundit/2008/04/gregs-guide-to-barack-obamas-d.html
[/quote]

Wow. That’s really scary IMHO. I wonder how he will respond to these stances in the general election. Can we all say President McCain?

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
GumsMagoo wrote:
McCain is the last, best hope for America… and that’s straight talk my friends.

If that is true than we are all in deep shit![/quote]

I actually agree
I dont think we have very good choices to choose from now.

and we are the ones that helped to do this.

and for the record I didnt see anyone of the canidates as a good choice this time around.

I think Mcain will actually put us as a country in danger because I see him as slightly demented and he will actually want to be another Billy Badass in office.
Im sorry but I dont think we need to go flexing muscles the world already either fears us or hates us,or hates us because they fear us,
I think we need to worry about whats going on here.our economy is going to shit.
obama is not much better really.

I dont like whats her name either but I honestly think it would have been a slightly better choice.

I mean as far as the clintons go,Bill is a womanizer,lier,and overall flake but I do respect him because he did a decent job if I remember correctly.

why wouldnt,with his help his wife do any worse? then again she may have just ran us into the ground too just to prove she is better,or whatever .

all I know is I am building up my ranch and it may be small,it will be self sufficient,simply because when this country goes to shit that will be the only way people like myslef will be able to live

seems like the people with money are the ones that see this whole thing as being alright.
I personally think we are getting ourselves in trouble
then again I have no idea what Im talking about either.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I don’t trust McCain. While he no doubt has seen hell I don’t think it qualifies him to run the country – in fact, I am afraid he is a complete nutjob. His biggest flaw is that he believes too strongly in the “might” of America while not understanding where it comes from.

The best we can hope for is a socialist president that helps fuel a resurgence in real conservative and libertarian values and helps change the face of Congress.

Prepare your self for a very bumpy ride for the next two years.[/quote]

(1) The economy has to collapse. (It will)

(2) The people have to see that gov’t is NOT the answer.

The problem is that the idea of government doing ‘something’ is heavily ingrained in the American psyche. Just like crime is easier than calculus, violence is easier to do than observe a moral code.