McCain Finally Taking Off the Gloves?

McStain doesn’t know what he’s on about.

He wants increased federal regulation.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
McStain doesn’t know what he’s on about.

He wants increased federal regulation. [/quote]

As the WSJ pointed out this morning, Obama continued with his “8 years of deregulation” talking point - and McSlain failed, yet again, to challenge him on that.

He let slip through his fingers opportunity after opportunity to embarrass BO and distinguish himself.

Instead, he’s competing with BO in jacking up his socialist rhetoric. Guess who’s going to win on that one?

katz:

Didn’t McCain almost “have” to respond with some type of “bold initiative” that people could directly relate too? (The home mortgage “bailout”?)

In no way am I saying that its the right thing to do; but every move that each candidate is making now represent very strategic moves to win a very close election.

Mufasa

(P.S. Everytime I hear the term “bold initiative”, I hear that proverbial “sucking noise” coming from my wallett!)

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
McStain doesn’t know what he’s on about.

He wants increased federal regulation.

As the WSJ pointed out this morning, Obama continued with his “8 years of deregulation” talking point - and McSlain failed, yet again, to challenge him on that.

He let slip through his fingers opportunity after opportunity to embarrass BO and distinguish himself.

Instead, he’s competing with BO in jacking up his socialist rhetoric. Guess who’s going to win on that one?

I think he took that strategy because he didn’t want to be seen as defending anything Bush related. I agree however, he’s sounding a bit to liberal for me. But look at the alternative…YIKES.[/quote]

Yeah, but that’s looking very bad for McCain. McCain is increasingly compromising his fundamental view of how government should run in a bid to get elected. It’s coming across as pretty transparent to me.

Beyond taxes, he never says Obama is wrong or explains how his own vision is better. He just tries to out-Obama Obama. And if you believe Obama’s rhetoric instead of his record, his tax plan is not so very different from McCain’s.

McCain’s stance on the economy and regulation is baffling. I personally am convinced it was a combination of awful regulations and deregulation that lead us to where we are today. And that simple deregulation is not the answer. Rather, we need efficient, streamlined regulations suited to the complexities of today’s economy. Regulations that foster transparency and accountability (and lending to good credit risks) but leave the decisions and micromanagement to corporations and banks.

But many still believe in simple deregulation, and if that’s what McCain believes, that’s what he should’ve of said. The way he approaches the issue rings hollow against his record.

Maybe he, instead, believes more along the lines of what I believe. But he still missed a golden opportunity to distinguish between good regulations and bad regulations. I think he could’ve made the point that he favors stream-lined efficient regulation that improves the system such as oversight of Fannie and Freddie. But not regulation where the government tries to supplant the decisions of banks and take on decisions like who banks should lend to. Plus, if he’s going to attack Obama and the Democrats for ignoring the warning signs with Fannie and Freddie, why not go that extra ,mile and criticize for encouraging banks to adopt less stringent lending standards?

This could’ve been a very good answer to the lady’s question about trusting government. “You can trust me because I recognize what oversight is needed and when it’s needed and when the government needs to back off and let business run itself.”

Obama is at least putting forth his vision of how he thinks government ought to run to best serve the people, right or wrong… I don’t think McCain believes half the crap he’s saying.

Mufasa,

You’re probably right. But to my way of thinking, McCain could also say that we HAVE TO HAVE a “bold initiative” (replete with “sucking sound!” - errr…is that Barney Frank at work? Heheehee) PRECISELY because we’ve warped incentives in the market through misguided intervention.

That way, he can show he cares and is doing something pro-active about the crisis (even if it’s wrongheaded), and [b]draw a sharp distinction between himself and Bush & Obama.[/b]

Anyway, it was painful to watch.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
katz:

Didn’t McCain almost “have” to respond with some type of “bold initiative” that people could directly relate too? (The home mortgage “bailout”?)

In no way am I saying that its the right thing to do; but every move that each candidate is making now represent very strategic moves to win a very close election.

Mufasa

(P.S. Everytime I hear the term “bold initiative”, I hear that proverbial “sucking noise” coming from my wallett!)[/quote]

Meh. I don’t think McCain’s being very strategic. Or strategeric, if you will. He didn’t need to take Obama’s 20 years of deregulation crack lying down. He could’ve responded that he favors deregulation when appropriate, responsible oversight when appropriate (Fannie and Freddie), and criticized the Democrats and Obama’s contribution to the crisis in one fell swoop.

Obama might’ve fired back with McCain’s support of repeal of the Glass-Steagal act and Phil Gramm’s sponsorship of the initiative. But it was a bipartisian initiative. It’s also not concrete enough. Unlike Fannie and Freddie, most Americans probably don’t know what it is. He might’ve just again generically repeated McCain’s support of deregulation. Either way, I think McCain could’ve scored some big brownie points.

“Strategeric” – LOL! Good one!

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
McCain. McCain is increasingly compromising his fundamental view of how government should run in a bid to get elected. It’s coming across as pretty transparent to me.

Wrong, McCain was never a conservative. He may have done some conservative things but what you’re seeing is actually what he believes.

Beyond taxes, he never says Obama is wrong or explains how his own vision is better. He just tries to out-Obama Obama.

Wrong again, McCain differs with obama on just about everything and he’s not ashamed to point that out.

-Health Care
-Taxes
-Negotiating with dictators without preconditions.
-Energy, remember him talking about coal? obama hates coal

There are many others as well…

McCain’s stance on the economy and regulation is baffling.

Maybe to you but then again after reading how far off you are on your previous comments I’m not convinced that you can find your own ass in a phone booth using both hands.

Obama is at least putting forth his vision of how he thinks government ought to run to best serve the people, right or wrong…

obama is putting forth his socialistic ideas. If there is a problem obama thinks government can solve it. And how?

By stealing money from people who are actually contributing to the economy and giving it to those who have been, and will continue to be a drag on the economy. All of this sounds good to the “have nots” like you and your father for example. But in reality if he puts half of those hair brained ideas into action you can bet that we will be in a DEPRESSION before obama leaves office.

I don’t think McCain believes half the crap he’s saying.

McCain has about 1000 times the honor and integrity of the fraud obama. And everyone knows why. I hate to repeat the obvious.

You would be better off spending more time on trying to raise your own economic standards than to rely on a socialist to help you out.

First: Move out of your parents basement.

Second: Buy your own computer

Third: Get a real job…not an imaginary one like you have.

Fourth: You will then realize the dangers of income redistribution…or not. But at least you’ll have a clue. Right now you’re so clueless that I usually try to avoid your posts.

Hey…nothing personal kid it’s just that you don’t know your ass from first base.

You can respond if you like, but I don’t think I’ll be posting back…What’s the point?

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You’re beyond stupid and missed the entire point of this post. Not surprising. I much PREFER McCain’s take on the economy to Obama’s. And he did a fantastically poor job of articulating it in the debate.

I have an awesome job. I start October 13th. I finished at the end of July. Was on a 5 week vacation in China and Italy. And then came back to America and had the rest of September and half of October to myself. To enjoy my nights out. And have days to myself to watch football, read books, watch the news, hit the gym, and argue with poltical hacks like you. The only drawback to work will be having little to no time to post here anymore. I wonder how you manage if YOU have a real job at all.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
McStain doesn’t know what he’s on about.

He wants increased federal regulation.

As the WSJ pointed out this morning, Obama continued with his “8 years of deregulation” talking point - and McSlain failed, yet again, to challenge him on that.

He let slip through his fingers opportunity after opportunity to embarrass BO and distinguish himself.

Instead, he’s competing with BO in jacking up his socialist rhetoric. Guess who’s going to win on that one? [/quote]

Same thing happened early in the VP debate. I pointed it out on that thread.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:

Yes, I could tell you are a McCain backer. I think it’s lines like this that convinced me:

Obama is at least putting forth his vision of how he thinks government ought to run to best serve the people, right or wrong… I don’t think McCain believes half the crap he’s saying.

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Because McCain is SOUNDING like Obama. Instead of defending his own economic record. Which is very good except for support of repeal the Glass-Steagal Act. Much better than Obama’s. IDIOT.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
I have an awesome job. I start October 13th.

No wait…you forgot what you posted earlier about making 150-K or there abouts…Remember?

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Absolutely. Base salary is $160K. I’ve had this job offer since the end of last summer after my internship during which I made $30K. And pretty much did exactly what I’ll be doing now. With less hours.

None of that’s relevant to anything anyway. It was simply in response to your post about never working a real day in my life and just being worried about beer money. I’ve worked hard since I was 16 at different jobs. But why am I defending myself to a man who is supposedly ALREADY working full-time and yet STILL has so much time to post so much drivel here?

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
You’re going to have to write this stuff down BEFORE you post it. You know keep a record so you’re aware of all the bullshit that you’re spreading on the Internet. Try to be more consistent like those on here who call themselves doctors or trainers to the champions…Come on…get with it.

Was on a 5 week vacation in China and Italy. And then came back to America and had the rest of September and half of October to myself.

That’s nice that you had October to yourself what with all your world travel it can really be taxing on your entire system. :slight_smile:

The only drawback to work will be having little to no time to post here anymore.

Oh darn…we’re going to miss you around here. I don’t know where we’ll find another kid who lives in his parents basement that is so dang creative.

Good job junior…Nice.

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Not to worry. I’ll still be here somewhat to mix it up with shitheads like you. I just won’t have the time because my job is real. And requires that I actually spend time doing it. As opposed to the numerous breaks you take from masturbating and your home-based telemarketing gig.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jsbrook,

Let’s see you’re a world traveller who makes 160-K per year and still has time to write 10-15 lengthy posts on T Nation every day.

Are you sure you’re not a doctor too? Come on say you’re a doctor…[/quote]

I told you I’m not working right now, buddy. You’ll see exactly how much time I have to post come Monday.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
jsbrook,

Let’s see you’re a world traveller who makes 160-K per year and still has time to write 10-15 lengthy posts on T Nation every day.

Are you sure you’re not a doctor too? Come on say you’re a doctor…

I told you I’m not working right now, buddy. You’ll see exactly how much time I have to post come Monday.

Now how can you make 150-K per year not working? Oh…never mind that’s not important. You take care kid.[/quote]

Oh, forget it. It’s my fault anyway. I shouldn’t have implied that I already started this job. I interned at this firm for 3 months last summer. Had a great time. Did lots of interesting work. Got paid a nice fat salary. Accepted my offer back for next year’s emplyment last August. Got a nice fat signing bonus. I haven’t started work there fulltime yet. I start Monday. None of this is relevant anyhow. It only came up because i was defending myself against your accusations. It’s not relevant to anything.

Not relevant to the fact that I was complementing McCain’s economic policies over Obama’s. And not relevant to the fact that he indisputably debated poorly, largely because he was too focused on telling America what he thought it wanted to hear. And missed some golden opportunities to come out better than Obama. No one else is disputing this. I don’t know why you are.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
jsbrook,

Let’s see you’re a world traveller who makes 160-K per year and still has time to write 10-15 lengthy posts on T Nation every day.

Are you sure you’re not a doctor too? Come on say you’re a doctor…

I told you I’m not working right now, buddy. You’ll see exactly how much time I have to post come Monday.

Now how can you make 150-K per year not working? Oh…never mind that’s not important. You take care kid.

Oh, forget it. It’s my fault anyway. I shouldn’t have implied that I already started this job. I interned at this firm for 3 months last summer. Had a great time. Did lots of interesting work. Got paid a nice fat salary. Accepted my offer back for next year’s emplyment last August. Got a nice fat signing bonus. I haven’t started work there fulltime yet. I start Monday. None of this is relevant anyhow. It only came up because i was defending myself against your accusations. It’s not relevant to anything.

Um…sure kid…150-K per year…a job you have not quite started yet. Signing bonuses…err…hey whatever. This is the Internet you can be anything you want to be.

It’s just for fun anyway right?

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What the hell do you do? That’s how big law works. Starting salary is 160. You do a summer internship after your second year of law school. You get paid well. Heavily wined and dined. You impress them. You get an offer. You accept it. And you start after finishing your third year of law school and taking the bar in July. Usually sometime between September and mid-October.

I’m sorry you’re not intelligent and driven enough to have gotten a good job. That must suck. I’m done with you.