I still remember the boxer in UFC 1. It was highly amusing
I would imagine Mayweather spends all his money on watches , cars and women.
Good points. I was looking for a form of combat halfway between boxing and MMA, where both fighters would have a reasonable shot to win. Maybe American kickboxing (kicks allowed only above the belt) would fit the bill.
In any case, I give McGregor credit for stepping in the ring with Mayweather, as he must know (all gustoâand moneyâaside) that heâs going to take a vicious beating.
SKmanâMcGregor versus Triple G? The Milky Way would cease to rotate!
How about those two in an octagon? The Kazakhâs power would afford him a chance to defeat the Irishman even in an MMA match.
In anything other than a boxing match no boxer would stand a chance.
Tito became champ using his Gnp. Chuck used his hands. Crocop used his left high kick. Silva used his flash. Aldo used his leg kicksâŠ
But fuck Conor for using his left straight. That bum! He should forgo his best weapon and just for the hell of it put himself in a grapple fuck match. Yea!
Tito was champion at a time when ground and pound would work with little else. As you may recall, or have read, Tito ruled mostly in the late 90âs early 2000âs. You saw what happened to him when he was matched against those who knew how to defend the takedown and could strike. Crocop had a great kick but again he was winning mostly before the sport matured and a fighter needed to be more well rounded. Silva was great on his feet but he also has a black belt in BJJ and does fine on the ground. Jose Aldo does have great leg kicks but he is also a very well rounded fighter with a black belt in BJJ under.
Good for him for using his left I never said he shouldnât use his best fighting tools. What I did say is that he is not as well rounded an mma fighter as his reputation might suggest. And there is no doubt that the manipulitive Dana White saw early on that Connor was a big draw at first with irish fans (ppv dollars), then with the entire world. But as purely an mma fighter he is lacking. That is a fact!
And as a boxerâŠwell heâs not a boxer is he? Go buy the fight if you have a hundred bucks burning a hole in your pocket. But, I can tell you now that you will be disappointed. But, one doesnât have to be surprised to enjoy a circus act where the ending is inevitable.
You still donât get it?
Matt Hughes was a wrestler. He trained how to strike, but we know K1 Matt Hughes didnât fare well. He was better off sticking to his strength. Maia is a groundwork specialist. He knows that. He utilized it to gain multiple chances at the title. Why do you hate Conor for having a specialty?
And why are you opposed to someone who has superstar qualities? Are you in denial about his success?
Every fighter lacks something buddy. Every single one. Yea it is a fact but you phrase it with such an obvious bias against Conor.
I just thought it was funny you tried to use intellect to shroud your obvious disdain towards someone youâve never met and hasnât really done anything to negatively affect your life.
Why wouldnât I watch the fight? You know you will be too, and youâll still be talking about it.
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You still donât get it?[/quote]
Well one of us doesnât get it for sure.
Itâs MMAâŠthereâs literally so much and so many arts, no one will ever b truly well rounded.
Hell the UFC has never even had an entire generation of champs who regularly check leg kicks.
Some of that is because mma is so new, and the skills have just now been being synthesized.
But no fighter in the game has a deep understanding of striking, clinching, groundwork, submissions, throws, and the chains between them.
Itâs why the sports interesting, unlike boxing, there are just too many variables to control that no one can master them all, and no one style is completely safe (like Floyd in boxing)
At the end of the day, mcgregor has bodied a list of competent fighters, and a few legends.
He regularly checks leg kicks, immediately fights for basic position in the clinch and on the ground, slips well, and doesnât move himself into certain death. He has a basic takedown and list of submissions, and has used the clinch before.
So, while the level of basic MMA just isnât particularly high, Conor certainly has the basics of the major parts down.
It seems your saying a lack of high level ability is âlackingâ because heâs a champion. In that case, Jon jones is almost the only person thatâs well rounded by those standards.
Itâs MMA. His game is good enough in all areas that it allows him to use his strengths on the vast majority of opponents.
What else do you want? I get the sense Zeb1 wants every mma fighter to have their brown belt in jiu jitsu and b a ranked wrestler and Thai fighter to b âwell rounded.â
No, thatâs not the case. But if you take a good look at the fighters who are well rounded you will see that many of them do have a high level of either wrestling or BJJ along with great striking skills. McGregor does not fall into that group of fighters. But he is flashy and look where that and Dana White being in his corner has gotten him. A 100 million dollar pay day. Nice.
Homie, a strong ground game in the UFC, and being well rounded enough to body some of the best are two different things
WellâŠyea mayweather is going to Body him if he tries to win
IMO, Mighty Mouse is THE most complete MMA Fighter in the sport today (arguably ever). But heâs a small guy and not a loud mouthed asshat and so Dana and Co have a harder time selling his fights (and Iâve ever heard rumors of the UFC dropping his division all together). I think the fact that many people overlook him badum cha is a testament to the direction that the UFC is currently headed.
My issue isnât so much with McGregor himself. Dude does have World Class trash talking skills, legitimately fought everyone the UFC put in front of him in order to earn the title shot against Aldo and KOâd him (impressive to say the least) and so rightfully won the Featherweight Belt.
Itâs what Dana and Co have done in terms of matching him up with a completely out of shape Mendes rather than Edgar, pitting him against Diaz at Lightweight instead of forcing him to defend or vacate the Featherweight Belt (and btw, IMO you arenât a true Champion/Belt holder unless you defend a Belt at least once; anyone can land a lucky punch), then having him fight Diaz again (leaving the Featherweight division in limbo), then finally forcing him to vacate the belt to fight Alvarez (who was a better opponent for him style wise than Edgar), only to allow him to fight Mayweather in essentially an exhibition match! Also, the Reebok deal sucks ass!
I am sad to say that it seems the UFC has given up entirely on the legitimacy of their sport and gone 100% the sensationalism, spectacle, and money route. No longer do they care about matching the best fighters against the best competitors; itâs all about what can make them the most money possible. I wouldnât be at all surprised if we started to see fighters âthrowingâ fights to be able to sell rematches/rubber matches, crooked managers skimming money off their fighters (ala Don King), and other such practices designed to sucker more money out of the UFC viewership and even the fighters themselves.
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Sean sherk. virtually no striking threat. Illegitimate?
Tito, standing and trading?
Randy⊠Standing and banging?
Dan Henderson, doing arm bars?
Forrest Griffin⊠Anything spectacular?
Cruz, winning by rear naked chokes?
Barbosa⊠Winning by grappling?
Everyone has their own unique style.
Conor gets tapped once and youâre stuck on that.
Youâre taking the one guy that Conor hasnât beat at FW and obsessing over it. Absolutely Frankie can pull it off. Definitely. But to discredit everything Conor has done because he doesnât fight ONE guy??? Sit down bitch.
Conor wants to fight khabib in Russia after Mayweather if you think heâs ducking grapplers.
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The names you have given either fought during a time when a fighter didnât need to be well rounded, or they were champions a decade or more ago. Your Cruz example doesnât hold water as Cruz has a belt in BJJ. He knows what to do on the ground. Does McGregor? Didnât look that way with Mendez (before he tired) nor did it look that way with Diaz. What are McGregorâs ground credentials? Uh huhâŠ
I agree with you that everyone has their own unique style that is not at all the question.
LOL. (sit down bitch hahaha thank you)âŠMuch of his entire career has been crafted and hand held by Dana White. I take nothing away from McGregor but you have even admitted that Edgar would defeat him. Are you saying that Edgar didnât deserve a shot and an out of shape Medez did? I happen to konw that Edgar begged Dana for that fight.
By the way even though Medez was out of shape he took McGregor down and beat him until he ran out of gas. Itâs obvious to anyone who follows the game that Mcgregor is the money machine and Dana loves moneyâŠend of story. None of that means that McGregor is not a good fighter I never sais such a thing. In fact I think he is a very good fighter, just not well rounded enough. I am only stating the obvious, heâs not the best and heâs far from the best pound for pound. But he is the best money machine for Dana White soâŠ
Itâs okay to be a fan boy but itâs even better to see through he Dana White smoke screen and embrace the reality of the the current state of affairs in the UFC and why certain people (Michael Bisping? LOL) are champions and others sit on the sidelines seemingly waiting forever for their shot.
Jon Jones just got his blue belt. Literally less than a month ago.
Not all mma champions are bjj black belts, or even hold belts at all.
Cruz is one of em. He never trained gi jitz.
People are sitting on the sideline because of BispingâŠ
He had just beat Luke for the title. Whittaker is hurt. Romero just lost. Weidman was on a losing streak⊠Sit down bitch.
Nobody in this entire thread said Conor was p4p or such.
Iâm just calling you out on your bs.
Just wow.
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Jon Jones just got his blue belt. Literally less than a month ago.[/quote]
I am aware of that. However his wrestling was quite good was it not? Also, does McGregor have his blue belt? Nope! And what are his wrestling credentials? ZIP!
And I never said they wereâŠdid I?
But if you look at the majority of the modern champions they are far more balanced skill wise than McGregor. In other words they either have wrestling credentials or a belt in BJJ along with stand up skills. There are exceptions but few.
You chose a fighter who has a record of 22-2. Someone who has beaten everyone that the UFC has thrown at him and they have thrown at him all serious legitimate contenders unlike their favored fighter McGregor. Also Cruz is exceptional at stuffing takedowns. He has at least mastered the fundamentalâs of staying off the groundâŠunlike Conor Mcgregor.
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As for Bisping how did he first get a shot at the title? Also, do you feel heâs the best in his weight class? And if you donât think he is then why is he currently champion? Also, did you read Sentoguys post? Do you realize that Dana White is after money first and foremost? Many times the best fighters are the champions then again sometimes they are not. It is all about M O N E Y!
Itâs a good thing because he is far from it!
âWowâ but also true. You are aware of the various phases of mma right? The first phase was the BJJ phase. The next phase the wrestlers dominatedâŠTito, Hughes, Couture etc. The next phase was the begining of what we have now the more balanced fighter. (Of course there were some excpetions along the way.)
Itâs an interesting sport which has eveolved over the past 20+ years.
You should check out the history.
How about movement for a skill?
Cruz (especially) and McGregor get around the octagon much, much better than most other MMA fighters. They make dudes look flat footed and slow.
Iâm interested to see how McGregor looks in the ring, in a sport where footwork is really, really important. Against a guy who is always in good position, and a supreme counter-puncher.
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