Maximizing Natural Testosterone

Can smoking pot cause low T? I believe it can. I remmeber reading it has estrogenic effects which makes the body think T is too high so T goes down.

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I don’t see any reason, based on what he’s said here, to get more bloodwork done. That seems excessive. He didn’t say anything about symptoms, so there’s no reason to believe there’s something actually wrong with this guy. Beyond that, we know nothing about how long he’s been lifting, what he does when he lifts, or what his diet really looks like (he didn’t even include protein intake, while he did fee broccoli was worth mentioning).

So, all that being said, I will address the OP directly. OP, your testosterone is fine. Don’t waste your money on testosterone boosters. They’ll deliver little to no real-world results. The money spent on such supplements would be better spent on food, or a high quality workout drink like Plazma. Plazma is the best supplement money can buy, IMO.[/quote]

His test levels for his age are not fine.[/quote]

they’re within the normal physiological range and he hasn’t mentioned any dysfunction

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I don’t see any reason, based on what he’s said here, to get more bloodwork done. That seems excessive. He didn’t say anything about symptoms, so there’s no reason to believe there’s something actually wrong with this guy. Beyond that, we know nothing about how long he’s been lifting, what he does when he lifts, or what his diet really looks like (he didn’t even include protein intake, while he did fee broccoli was worth mentioning).

So, all that being said, I will address the OP directly. OP, your testosterone is fine. Don’t waste your money on testosterone boosters. They’ll deliver little to no real-world results. The money spent on such supplements would be better spent on food, or a high quality workout drink like Plazma. Plazma is the best supplement money can buy, IMO.[/quote]

His test levels for his age are not fine.[/quote]

they’re within the normal physiological range and he hasn’t mentioned any dysfunction[/quote]

Normal lab ranges encompass all age groups. The low end of the spectrum is for senior aged adult males, not men in their 20’s. The last time I researched the normal ranges for men in their 20’s, total T was around 650-700; his are half that. His T levels aren’t “fine” simply because they’re within range.

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I don’t see any reason, based on what he’s said here, to get more bloodwork done. That seems excessive. He didn’t say anything about symptoms, so there’s no reason to believe there’s something actually wrong with this guy. Beyond that, we know nothing about how long he’s been lifting, what he does when he lifts, or what his diet really looks like (he didn’t even include protein intake, while he did fee broccoli was worth mentioning).

So, all that being said, I will address the OP directly. OP, your testosterone is fine. Don’t waste your money on testosterone boosters. They’ll deliver little to no real-world results. The money spent on such supplements would be better spent on food, or a high quality workout drink like Plazma. Plazma is the best supplement money can buy, IMO.[/quote]

His test levels for his age are not fine.[/quote]

they’re within the normal physiological range and he hasn’t mentioned any dysfunction[/quote]

Dysfunction:

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/Eviscerator#myForums/thread/6351204/

His T levels are “fine” but not optimal.

Strictly from a health perspective there’s no need to medically intervene when OP is asymptomatic

From a bodybuilding perspective… His T levels suck.

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I don’t see any reason, based on what he’s said here, to get more bloodwork done. That seems excessive. He didn’t say anything about symptoms, so there’s no reason to believe there’s something actually wrong with this guy. Beyond that, we know nothing about how long he’s been lifting, what he does when he lifts, or what his diet really looks like (he didn’t even include protein intake, while he did fee broccoli was worth mentioning).

So, all that being said, I will address the OP directly. OP, your testosterone is fine. Don’t waste your money on testosterone boosters. They’ll deliver little to no real-world results. The money spent on such supplements would be better spent on food, or a high quality workout drink like Plazma. Plazma is the best supplement money can buy, IMO.[/quote]

His test levels for his age are not fine.[/quote]

they’re within the normal physiological range and he hasn’t mentioned any dysfunction[/quote]

^^^ sorry Davinci beat me to it

[quote]butcherman7 wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I don’t see any reason, based on what he’s said here, to get more bloodwork done. That seems excessive. He didn’t say anything about symptoms, so there’s no reason to believe there’s something actually wrong with this guy. Beyond that, we know nothing about how long he’s been lifting, what he does when he lifts, or what his diet really looks like (he didn’t even include protein intake, while he did fee broccoli was worth mentioning).

So, all that being said, I will address the OP directly. OP, your testosterone is fine. Don’t waste your money on testosterone boosters. They’ll deliver little to no real-world results. The money spent on such supplements would be better spent on food, or a high quality workout drink like Plazma. Plazma is the best supplement money can buy, IMO.[/quote]

His test levels for his age are not fine.[/quote]

they’re within the normal physiological range and he hasn’t mentioned any dysfunction[/quote]

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Well then…

OP if you’re already living a life conducive to high T then I highly doubt you’ll make a jump to the normal range naturally by simply adding supplements.

T levels for your age should be in the 600-800 range I believe.

Your options are to either accept your current quality of life as it currently is or take drugs.

my bad, I don’t browse the T replacement forum

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]butcherman7 wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I don’t see any reason, based on what he’s said here, to get more bloodwork done. That seems excessive. He didn’t say anything about symptoms, so there’s no reason to believe there’s something actually wrong with this guy. Beyond that, we know nothing about how long he’s been lifting, what he does when he lifts, or what his diet really looks like (he didn’t even include protein intake, while he did fee broccoli was worth mentioning).

So, all that being said, I will address the OP directly. OP, your testosterone is fine. Don’t waste your money on testosterone boosters. They’ll deliver little to no real-world results. The money spent on such supplements would be better spent on food, or a high quality workout drink like Plazma. Plazma is the best supplement money can buy, IMO.[/quote]

His test levels for his age are not fine.[/quote]

they’re within the normal physiological range and he hasn’t mentioned any dysfunction[/quote]

[/quote]

Well then…

OP if you’re already living a life conducive to high T then I highly doubt you’ll make a jump to the normal range naturally by simply adding supplements.

T levels for your age should be in the 600-800 range I believe.

Your options are to either accept your current quality of life as it currently is or take drugs.

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That’s not necessarily true either. OP, at your age there’s a high likelihood that your low T has an identifiable cause. Typically it’s a combination of stress/adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism (often sub clinical), porn addiction (can cause ED and domamine desensitization issues), phthalates, xenoestrogens etc.

T boosting supplements aren’t going to do much of anything. I would educate yourself as much as possible. Also worth mentioning is no 20 year old is going to be asymptomatic with T levels in the 300’s.

OP, refer to your TRT thread with KSman’s advice. I suggest you follow it.

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]butcherman7 wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I don’t see any reason, based on what he’s said here, to get more bloodwork done. That seems excessive. He didn’t say anything about symptoms, so there’s no reason to believe there’s something actually wrong with this guy. Beyond that, we know nothing about how long he’s been lifting, what he does when he lifts, or what his diet really looks like (he didn’t even include protein intake, while he did fee broccoli was worth mentioning).

So, all that being said, I will address the OP directly. OP, your testosterone is fine. Don’t waste your money on testosterone boosters. They’ll deliver little to no real-world results. The money spent on such supplements would be better spent on food, or a high quality workout drink like Plazma. Plazma is the best supplement money can buy, IMO.[/quote]

His test levels for his age are not fine.[/quote]

they’re within the normal physiological range and he hasn’t mentioned any dysfunction[/quote]

[/quote]

Well then…

OP if you’re already living a life conducive to high T then I highly doubt you’ll make a jump to the normal range naturally by simply adding supplements.

T levels for your age should be in the 600-800 range I believe.

Your options are to either accept your current quality of life as it currently is or take drugs.

[/quote]

That’s not necessarily true either. OP, at your age there’s a high likelihood that your low T has an identifiable cause. Typically it’s a combination of stress/adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism (often sub clinical), porn addiction (can cause ED and domamine desensitization issues), phthalates, xenoestrogens etc.

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Okay fair enough on the stress angle ( I addressed combating stress in my first post), but how would one address hypothyroidism (subclinical or not), phthalates, xenoestrogens without drugs?

I have subclinical hypothyroidism and the doc put me on Desiccated thyroid and it made a world of difference. I know every case is different but just sayin’

Do you have any evidence that supports porn’s effects on T Levels?

re-reading his T-replacement post he wrote:

[quote]Eviscerator wrote:

mood swings in the afternoons (feel low energy and sad for a couple of hours for no reason, feel better, then feel bad again later that evening), difficulty focusing [/quote]

If OP is being honest it doesn’t sound stress related.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]butcherman7 wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I don’t see any reason, based on what he’s said here, to get more bloodwork done. That seems excessive. He didn’t say anything about symptoms, so there’s no reason to believe there’s something actually wrong with this guy. Beyond that, we know nothing about how long he’s been lifting, what he does when he lifts, or what his diet really looks like (he didn’t even include protein intake, while he did fee broccoli was worth mentioning).

So, all that being said, I will address the OP directly. OP, your testosterone is fine. Don’t waste your money on testosterone boosters. They’ll deliver little to no real-world results. The money spent on such supplements would be better spent on food, or a high quality workout drink like Plazma. Plazma is the best supplement money can buy, IMO.[/quote]

His test levels for his age are not fine.[/quote]

they’re within the normal physiological range and he hasn’t mentioned any dysfunction[/quote]

[/quote]

Well then…

OP if you’re already living a life conducive to high T then I highly doubt you’ll make a jump to the normal range naturally by simply adding supplements.

T levels for your age should be in the 600-800 range I believe.

Your options are to either accept your current quality of life as it currently is or take drugs.

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yea, the original post in this thread was misleading. I assumed no symptoms, because he didn’t mention symptoms. And I don’t participate in the T replacement forum. That being said, I don’t see a great course of action for improving the situation. It’s an exaggeration to say he’s ‘half’ of what would be in the normal range. He’s actually at 2/3 of the low end, if we assume low end to be 600. Under 300 would have made the situation much easier, lol. I dunno. Hard choices are hard.

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]butcherman7 wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I don’t see any reason, based on what he’s said here, to get more bloodwork done. That seems excessive. He didn’t say anything about symptoms, so there’s no reason to believe there’s something actually wrong with this guy. Beyond that, we know nothing about how long he’s been lifting, what he does when he lifts, or what his diet really looks like (he didn’t even include protein intake, while he did fee broccoli was worth mentioning).

So, all that being said, I will address the OP directly. OP, your testosterone is fine. Don’t waste your money on testosterone boosters. They’ll deliver little to no real-world results. The money spent on such supplements would be better spent on food, or a high quality workout drink like Plazma. Plazma is the best supplement money can buy, IMO.[/quote]

His test levels for his age are not fine.[/quote]

they’re within the normal physiological range and he hasn’t mentioned any dysfunction[/quote]

[/quote]

Well then…

OP if you’re already living a life conducive to high T then I highly doubt you’ll make a jump to the normal range naturally by simply adding supplements.

T levels for your age should be in the 600-800 range I believe.

Your options are to either accept your current quality of life as it currently is or take drugs.

[/quote]

yea, the original post in this thread was misleading. I assumed no symptoms, because he didn’t mention symptoms. And I don’t participate in the T replacement forum. That being said, I don’t see a great course of action for improving the situation. It’s an exaggeration to say he’s ‘half’ of what would be in the normal range. He’s actually at 2/3 of the low end, if we assume low end to be 600. Under 300 would have made the situation much easier, lol. I dunno. Hard choices are hard.[/quote]

what do you reckon then, Flip? Blast and cruise? Haha

Can’t go wrong with cast iron and stainless steel for pots.

Yes, smoking weed does cause T to be lowered for 24 hours or more. It also inhibits m-tor. There’s a lot of research on the subject.

[quote]Positive Mindset wrote:

[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
zma and daa should help see how it goes, also get a good quality vit d3 supp. Alpha Male also something to look into[/quote]

what is Daa?[/quote]

D aspartic acid

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[quote]SupraChris wrote:
Can’t go wrong with cast iron and stainless steel for pots.[/quote]

What would be wrong with non-stick pans if they are not scratched?

Anyway if the OP doesn’t have any symptoms, there is no point of arguing if these levels are ok or not.

I’ve read a lot lately about ZMA not really having an effect on Test. Getting a good nights sleep and eating enough are probably the two biggest factors.