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Masturbation Inhibiting Gains

Hey guys, my question is. … lets say you blast your shoulders, the next day, you jackoff, and have a leg session coming up in the evening… what i want to know is, the effort youve just put into your shoulders… will it all go to waste as a result of the ‘release’? and the following day, working on legs, will my lower back be more prone to strain or injury?

I do know that you lose a certain amount of minerals/vitamins, protein and hormones when you ejaculate. how is this related to bodybuilding and strength?

Am i harming my body or muscle health in any way?

how often a week is considered healthy for a male of 25?

id really appreciate it if someone would explain the science and facts behind this, thanks. cheers.

“What is that, hair gel?”

Yep you will wither up n die if you carry on with this evil act. The love muscle is bad and will stop the rest of your muscles - getting big n hard.

[quote]Sepulnation wrote:
hey guys, my question is … lets say you blast your shoulders, the next day, you jackoff, and have a leg session coming up in the evening… what i want to know is, the effort youve just put into your shoulders… will it all go to waste as a result of the ‘release’? and the following day, working on legs, will my lower back be more prone to strain or injury?

I do know that you lose a certain amount of minerals/vitamins, protein and hormones when you ejaculate. how is this related to bodybuilding and strength?

Am i harming my body or muscle health in any way?

how often a week is considered healthy for a male of 25?

id really appreciate it if someone would explain the science and facts behind this, thanks. cheers.[/quote]

You cannot possibly be serious. I would hardly buy into this question from a veteran on these boards, let alone someone who just registered and this is also their very first post…

[quote]bomberlow wrote:
Yep you will wither up n die if you carry on with this evil act. The love muscle is bad and will stop the rest of your muscles - getting big n hard. [/quote]

Your ears will also fall off.

[quote]bomberlow wrote:
Yep you will wither up n die if you carry on with this evil act. The love muscle is bad and will stop the rest of your muscles - getting big n hard. [/quote]

High rep flagellation on off days helps.

[quote]Sepulnation wrote:
hey guys, my question is … lets say you blast your shoulders, the next day, you jackoff, and have a leg session coming up in the evening… what i want to know is, the effort youve just put into your shoulders… will it all go to waste as a result of the ‘release’? and the following day, working on legs, will my lower back be more prone to strain or injury?

I do know that you lose a certain amount of minerals/vitamins, protein and hormones when you ejaculate. how is this related to bodybuilding and strength?

Am i harming my body or muscle health in any way?

how often a week is considered healthy for a male of 25?

id really appreciate it if someone would explain the science and facts behind this, thanks. cheers.[/quote]

So many points:
If you’re going to do it on shoulder day, you should do it as a backoff exercise, maybe high reps and no more than 2-3 sets. You’ll find that can’t do any more sets anyway.

It won’t really mess up your leg day per se, unless you actually do it in the gym. Then you might be asked to leave. Depending on your actual technique at the end, you might want to back off deadlifting a little so that you don’t burn out your glutes. Still, extra posterior chain work never hurts.

Nutritionally speaking, the loss is negligible and can be recovered using Low-Carb Grow!. However, if you have a significant other, you should take every opportunity to help her with her nutritional needs. Encourage her to swallow. An excellent side benefit of this is that you won’t exert anywhere near the amount of effort and consequently can schedule more workouts of this sort.

Are you harming your body and muscles? That really depends on your technique. While normally we’d request a video, I think we can safely pass on this and simply state that you’ll have to figure this one out by yourself. There is a huge market in DVDs for assisting this kind of carry-on, I suggest you buy a few and see how it all comes out.

Re: how many times for a male of 25? You shouldn’t be comparing yourself to others. What’s important is if you are improving and making progress. As Dan John said (although probably never in regard to all this) “Think about your Story of One”. Chart your progress. Try and increase sets/reps/effort/frequency whenever possible. Back off when fatigue sets in but always keep an eye on the bigger picture.

Some people recommend competition as a great way to motivate yourself to perform better. If you can’t find any near you, maybe you and a circle of friends could do one amongst yourselves. The opportunities are endless for the truly motivated; don’t let embarrassment or fear stop you.

The science and the facts - I think at this stage you should be more concerned with just doing it. It’s amazing how a lot of your questions can be answered by simply trying it yourself. Instead of waiting on a web and opinions of others, you’ll have the results right there on hand.

Hope this all helps. Let us know how it all comes out.

[quote]flynniec6 wrote:
Sepulnation wrote:
hey guys, my question is … lets say you blast your shoulders, the next day, you jackoff, and have a leg session coming up in the evening… what i want to know is, the effort youve just put into your shoulders… will it all go to waste as a result of the ‘release’? and the following day, working on legs, will my lower back be more prone to strain or injury?

I do know that you lose a certain amount of minerals/vitamins, protein and hormones when you ejaculate. how is this related to bodybuilding and strength?

Am i harming my body or muscle health in any way?

how often a week is considered healthy for a male of 25?

id really appreciate it if someone would explain the science and facts behind this, thanks. cheers.

So many points:
If you’re going to do it on shoulder day, you should do it as a backoff exercise, maybe high reps and no more than 2-3 sets. You’ll find that can’t do any more sets anyway.

It won’t really mess up your leg day per se, unless you actually do it in the gym. Then you might be asked to leave. Depending on your actual technique at the end, you might want to back off deadlifting a little so that you don’t burn out your glutes. Still, extra posterior chain work never hurts.

Nutritionally speaking, the loss is negligible and can be recovered using Low-Carb Grow!. However, if you have a significant other, you should take every opportunity to help her with her nutritional needs. Encourage her to swallow. An excellent side benefit of this is that you won’t exert anywhere near the amount of effort and consequently can schedule more workouts of this sort.

Are you harming your body and muscles? That really depends on your technique. While normally we’d request a video, I think we can safely pass on this and simply state that you’ll have to figure this one out by yourself. There is a huge market in DVDs for assisting this kind of carry-on, I suggest you buy a few and see how it all comes out.

Re: how many times for a male of 25? You shouldn’t be comparing yourself to others. What’s important is if you are improving and making progress. As Dan John said (although probably never in regard to all this) “Think about your Story of One”. Chart your progress. Try and increase sets/reps/effort/frequency whenever possible. Back off when fatigue sets in but always keep an eye on the bigger picture.

Some people recommend competition as a great way to motivate yourself to perform better. If you can’t find any near you, maybe you and a circle of friends could do one amongst yourselves. The opportunities are endless for the truly motivated; don’t let embarrassment or fear stop you.

The science and the facts - I think at this stage you should be more concerned with just doing it. It’s amazing how a lot of your questions can be answered by simply trying it yourself. Instead of waiting on a web and opinions of others, you’ll have the results right there on hand.

Hope this all helps. Let us know how it all comes out.[/quote]

Hehe, you ought to consider a career in journalism. That was well said.

You’re going to have a hard time getting people to take this question seriously, but I’ll try to help you out.

Not if your technique is good. Remember, it’s all in the wrist. So you should probably not jack off after a forearm work out, lest you strain them. Wait a couple of days.

Again, it’s all about using the right technique. If you’re going to be squatting and deadlifting the next day, I wouldn’t try any hanging-from-the-lamp masturbatory acrobatics, it’s just asking for trouble. Also, just use your hand (wrist action, remember?), don’t pump with your hips. I would also recommend not jacking off while standing and going for distance, because you’ll invariably want to thrust your pelvis to get those extra few inches and that’s not good for the lower back. I’d wait a couple of days after leg training to try to set a new PR on distance.

This depends on the amounts you are ejaculating, and your body stats. You don’t give any values, such as bodyweight, calorie intake, semen volume ejaculated, macronutrient breakdown, etc, so I can only hazzard a guess. If you’re using a bucket to contain your ejaculation, and your toilet gets blocked up often, then you probably are losing a lot of useful nutrients. In this case, I would recommend taking a multivitamin pill and some ZMA straight after your jack off. A helping of Grow! wouldn’t be out of place either. Alternatively, you could just drink up the contents of your bucket. This would save you money on plumbing bills, too.

If, on the other hand, you are a normal male (of the human species, not an elephant), then one ejaculation will provide about 1 tablespoon of semen, containing about 15 calories, containing the following substances:

* Sugars: Fructose, sorbitol, inositol
* Proteins and amino acids: glutathione, deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA), creatine
* Minerals: Phosphorus, zinc, magnesium, calcium, potassium
* Vitamins: Ascorbic acid (vitamin C), vitamin B12, choline
* Hormones: Testosterone, prostaglandins
* Body byproducts: Lactic acid, urea, uric acid, nitrogen

I’m not sure of the individual quantities, but I seem to remember that there are 10mg of Zinc (hence the need to supplement with ZMA after heavy masturbation).

Again, if you maintain proper form, you shouldn’t have any problems. Maybe you could record yourself and post the video here so T-members could comment on your form and give advice.

There is no exact number, but from your question I can tell you that you are not at risk. If you were, you would have asked how often a day is considered healthy. Personally, when I’ve gone for PRs I’ve practiced 3-5 time a day. There are no long-term studies on this, but I believe keeping up this rhythm might have been detrimental to my health in the long run. As it was only a few weeks of pre contest preparation, my body endured it fine. But bear in mind I took my nutrition and supplementation seriously, and I had no cheat sex.

Well, I hope I helped a bit.

Maybe Professor X will have some more accurate medical knowledge to share with you.

[quote]Miserere wrote:
But bear in mind I took my nutrition and supplementation seriously, and I had no cheat sex.

[/quote]

Dude! Pure class!

[quote]Miserere wrote:
Maybe Professor X will have some more accurate medical knowledge to share with you.[/quote]

B. A. Cunt, Bloo Bahlz, et al. Life expectancy and the use of commercial hand lotion following excessive male masturbation. JAMA. 2003 Jun;15(2) :225-232.

Abstract Summary:
Masturbation was found in all 8 subjects to produce instant death upon their 30th birthdays following 3 weeks of excessive, multiple episodic daily attempts. This outcome followed several biological signs like, dry mouth, excessive use of toilet paper, shortage of lubricant, and minor loss of skin in the penile region. Fatigue was also noted as well as a decrease in shoulder workout intensity.

Thanks Prof. X. I knew we could count on you.

Why not ask fellow competitor Ron Coleman? What? You’re not at that level, you say. Then who cares?

I must admit, Dr. Bloo has done some really groundbreaking research in this field.

“strains your back” good lord son how ruff are you with that thing. I’ve never tuged hard enough to effect my back ever, damn near impressive.

Oh this has brightened up my Fri afternoon - pure class LOL!!

Alright, to summarize the “point” all my friends on this forum are trying to make is that YOU, my new friend, are a
FUCKING MORON.

Welcome!

Amir

[quote]Sepulnation wrote:
Hey guys, my question is. … lets say you blast your shoulders, the next day, you jackoff, and have a leg session coming up in the evening… what i want to know is, the effort youve just put into your shoulders… will it all go to waste as a result of the ‘release’? and the following day, working on legs, will my lower back be more prone to strain or injury?

I do know that you lose a certain amount of minerals/vitamins, protein and hormones when you ejaculate. how is this related to bodybuilding and strength?

Am i harming my body or muscle health in any way?

how often a week is considered healthy for a male of 25?

id really appreciate it if someone would explain the science and facts behind this, thanks. cheers.[/quote]

Be carefull of repetative motion injuries. I have seen a few extreme cases of a persons dominant hand becoming locked in the supine position, with severe damage further up at the humero-glenoid capsule and exagerated developement of the rhomboid. The best solution to prevent re-occurance is to change grips frequently and use bi-lateral techniques. High intensity also presents some major problems, the most prevalent being severe doms of the peritinidium(taint), and a dislocation of the prostate coupled with and inverted sphinchter, so don’t pull too hard.
Real world application: Practice to perform. Chicks aren’t going to buy some max effort one rep crap.

Funny, funny funny…I love T-Nation!

MB

[quote]mindeffer01 wrote:
Be carefull of repetative motion injuries. I have seen a few extreme cases of a persons dominant hand becoming locked in the supine position, with severe damage further up at the humero-glenoid capsule and exagerated developement of the rhomboid. The best solution to prevent re-occurance is to change grips frequently and use bi-lateral techniques. High intensity also presents some major problems, the most prevalent being severe doms of the peritinidium(taint), and a dislocation of the prostate coupled with and inverted sphinchter, so don’t pull too hard.
Real world application: Practice to perform. Chicks aren’t going to buy some max effort one rep crap.
[/quote]

What is your take on the hook grip in this context?

Do you use chalk?

What to do if you tear open a callus?

Will cycling a convential with a sumo stance prevent pattern overload?

So many questions…