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Massive Eating VS. Regular Eating?

Hello,

Does seperating carbs and fats into different meals really make a diference (vs. equally balanced meals)assuming your total number meals and macros for the day are the same?

The basic premise is that if you eat carbs, your insulin will jack up. Insulin opens up fat cells, and if you also have fats swimming in your blood, they will deposit into your fat cells.

I figure it’s one of things that really only makes a noticable difference when your diet is really tuned in… just my 2cents

No, he wrote the article for fun.

Sorry for the hijack but I’m following Massive Eating and I am wondering if it is ok to take flax and olive oil in the same meal?

I don’t know much about how fats are digested so I don’t want them to hamper one anothers affects.

[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
No, he wrote the article for fun.[/quote]

Thx for that incredibly constructive reply Lobo…

Back to the topic, a factor to consider is that combining fat with meals can slow down the absorption of carbohydrate. This itself can lead to lower levels of insulin (though longer lasting).

The way I see it other factors such as energy balance, total caloric intake, and actual glycemic load have more to do with how much fat you will store.

IMO where JMB’s macro nutrient combos really come into play is the P+C combination for post workout. You want fast absorption to replace spent energy stores and add fuel for recovery so no fats in the pwo window.

So does eating carbs + fat lead to more or less insulin output?

I have heard both opinions.

But isn’t it also true that in a low insulin environment(no carbs) protein will be oxidized for energy and not used for growth/maintenance?

Doesn’t that debunk this Protein + Fat meal theory as well?

“Doesn’t that debunk this Protein + Fat meal theory as well?”

In what way, Federov?

I’m missing your train of thought…

Mufasa

[quote]fedorov91 wrote:
But isn’t it also true that in a low insulin environment(no carbs) protein will be oxidized for energy and not used for growth/maintenance?

Doesn’t that debunk this Protein + Fat meal theory as well?[/quote]

THis only applys when your body is totaly “carbed out” and muscle glycogen is non-present. If you’re cycling your meals you don’t have to worry about protein oxidation. Even if you do Massive eating/don’t diet on the taper method (P+C in the mornings and P+F in the afternoon) you still won’t see any apprcialbe protein oxidation above normal.

La’
Redsol1

My energy suffers when I don’t eat some carbs every 3 hours. Convince me that Massive Eating is the way to go.

Has anyone noticed any “REAL” body composition benefits when swithing from the typical balanced meals to Massive Eating either gaining or cutting?

[quote]fedorov91 wrote:
My energy suffers when I don’t eat some carbs every 3 hours. Convince me that Massive Eating is the way to go.
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I’m not trying to “sell” you on Massive Eating, but I think that maybe your energy suffering might have something to do stress, activity level, not enough food, not enough sleep, etc… and probably not due to your not eating carbs every 3 hours.

When you eat carbs, they are stored in the muscles and the liver as glycogen… it’s like a holding tank of sorts. So, even when you don’t eat carbs, your body can still use the stored glycogen.

When you tried the P+F meals, what were you eating? Many first-timers make the easy mistake of not eating enough when it comes to P+F, i.e. a small salad and a piece of cheese, which would amount to a whopping 200-300 cals.

Check out some of the bulking threads for tips on adding calories to P+F meals, and good luck.

RIT Jared