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Massive Eating Confusion!

I’m rather confused. I worked out my calories based on this article:

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459756

And got a total of about 3200 calories a day for bulking. I then read Massive Eating and used John Berardi’s calculator, only to find out that following his indications i should be on a whopping 3900 calories a day and worse, if i use his calculator i should be on about 5000 calories a day.

Article:
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460331

Calculator:

http://www.johnberardi.com/updates/july262002/na_masscalculator.htm

I’m currently 165 pounds (75Kg), i work in an office, 14% body fat, moderate protein intake and i’m currently on GVT prep phase 1…

What SHOULD be my calorie intake, i wouldn’t want to be eating too little!

I have been on the 3200 calories for now, going to weigh myself again on monday and check the gains out. If i’m not at 1 pound gains per week over the last two weeks then i’ll up the calories… But still it would be good to know which one gives the correct amount of calories…

Thanks!

The authors of the first 2 articles are different obviously you get different numbers.

The best bet would be to follow the second number (from JB’s article) as it has more items like Costs of Exercise Activity factored into the equation. Some of these are lacking in the calculator.

I agree, also you will find you need to constantly asess and change your values. Massive eating is just a suggestion. You might find you need way more or much less.

Personally I am about 195 14%bf and I have been gaining muscle and loosing fat with 3000 ish calories a day. I should be closer to 4000 according to the calculator.

[quote]Todd S. wrote:
I agree, also you will find you need to constantly asess and change your values. Massive eating is just a suggestion. You might find you need way more or much less.

Personally I am about 195 14%bf and I have been gaining muscle and loosing fat with 3000 ish calories a day. I should be closer to 4000 according to the calculator. [/quote]

How much progress have you made over the last two months?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Todd S. wrote:
I agree, also you will find you need to constantly asess and change your values. Massive eating is just a suggestion. You might find you need way more or much less.

Personally I am about 195 14%bf and I have been gaining muscle and loosing fat with 3000 ish calories a day. I should be closer to 4000 according to the calculator.

How much progress have you made over the last two months?[/quote]

I went from 190 to 195 and drop a percent in fat.

I’ve only been back to the gym for about 4 months so I assume some of it is from being new (again). Right now I do want to try and lose a bit of fat, I know I’m not huge yet but I would really like to see some abs down there, and more leg def.

I figure once I get my diet nailed and I cut a bit more fat I will need to eat more to really get growing.

If you want to get BIG then abs are a bad thing.
We should start looking at bodyfat % as we do steroids.

The calculators are a starting point. You adjust up or down after several weeks of experience.

[quote]Todd S. wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Todd S. wrote:
I agree, also you will find you need to constantly asess and change your values. Massive eating is just a suggestion. You might find you need way more or much less.

Personally I am about 195 14%bf and I have been gaining muscle and loosing fat with 3000 ish calories a day. I should be closer to 4000 according to the calculator.

How much progress have you made over the last two months?

I went from 190 to 195 and drop a percent in fat.

I’ve only been back to the gym for about 4 months so I assume some of it is from being new (again). Right now I do want to try and lose a bit of fat, I know I’m not huge yet but I would really like to see some abs down there, and more leg def.

I figure once I get my diet nailed and I cut a bit more fat I will need to eat more to really get growing.
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I think people are generally making a mistake by dieting so often and “gaining” for short periods of time all in fear of fat gain. Unless you are competing, you are setting yourself up for screwing up your metabolism in the long run and making overall LESS progress than you would if you simply spent some decent time gaining quality body weight.

Also, being “back in the gym” implies a lack of consistency. No matter what someone does, if they can’t stick with this for years without quitting for months or years at a time, your progress will be stunted. Yes, those do sound like beginner gains. That also makes me wonder why someone like that would give advice as if “gaining muscle and losing fat” at the same time should be the goal to shoot for when training. While it can definitely happen, those looking for that as a true goal without ever focusing on one or the other with all out intensity will end up running in circles or making less progress.

Amen. A nutrition assessment by a licensed healthcare professional is necesary to tailor any prescriotive meal plans to an individual. We all need to remember that despite interesting writing, the nature of the Think Tank is to explore concepts that have some evidence. Much of what you see is “at the hypothesis stage” and should simply add to your knowledge base more than anything. Self exploration (considering one’s own social/financial/physical environment and health history) should always be part of self improvement.

I think I know my nutrition pretty well, took a university credit on human nutrition, read lots of articles, etc. But I’m still curious about having an individual assessment to find out what my body would ideally adapt to. I’ve tried playing around with lots of different intake levels etc. but haven’t noticed much of a difference in the effects on my body (ie. between high-carb or higher fat diets).

Ive seen people recommend going to get hormone levels tested but as I’m in Canada (southern ontario) its a little weird to ask a doctor about this since its free health care. Are there other types of specialists that do this type of stuff, if so where should I be looking? Just seems like if I ask a doctor if I can have my hormone levels tested he would just be like uh what the hell for…

[quote]Lonnie Lowery wrote:
Massive eating is just a suggestion. You might find you need way more or much less.

Amen. A nutrition assessment by a licensed healthcare professional is necesary to tailor any prescriotive meal plans to an individual. We all need to remember that despite interesting writing, the nature of the Think Tank is to explore concepts that have some evidence. Much of what you see is “at the hypothesis stage” and should simply add to your knowledge base more than anything. Self exploration (considering one’s own social/financial/physical environment and health history) should always be part of self improvement.

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