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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Everyone warned me about the crash post cycle. I figured it would happen to anyone but me.

WRONG!!

I’m taking 200mg clomid and 40mg Nolva ed for the first two weeks. I started Saturday, and this morning - I’m all depressed. I’m all emotional, and I found myself fighting with my wife because…get this…I don’t feel loved.

I hate this shit. Is there a magic pill I can get my hands on that will help reduce these Oprah-like symptoms? I don’t feel loved? My God - what a pussy.

Thanks for letting me rant - now I’m off to the bathroom where I will sit and cry and then fix my eye makeup.

And to everyone that feels the need to use what I write against me in the political threads: Can I please get a pass on this?
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I wonder if using Spike and/or Carbolin 19 would help with the mood stuff and help you taper down from the cycle. Depression is no joke. It truly sucks.

I don’t think you’re a pussy. I try to keep my arguments with you as respectful as possible, even if they get a little heated. I think you do the same, with me at least. This is why i don’t mind debating you or JeffR; we may not agree but I don’t feel I have to take a shower to get the slime off afterwards.

Take care of yourself. I wish you well.

WMD

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Is there a magic pill I can get my hands on that will help reduce these Oprah-like symptoms?
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yes, there is. when you feel those symptoms coming on go watch the clip of mark mcguire blubbering like tammy fay baker at the congressional hearings. if that doesn’t snap you out of it go get yourself a bra and some cakemix.

Yeah, my best clomid moment was when I was listening to the radio on my way to class and the Shakira song Underneath Your Clothes came on and I started to ball to the point I was like 20 minutes late to class. Nothing funnier then seeing a big meathead cry over a song on the radio.

Hang in there bro. PS, does help, and rhodiola rosea also helps but needs to be cycled to stay effective. Can’t speak on Carbolin 19 yet as I really didnt’ give it enough of a chance. BTW I can’t remeber off the top of my head who, but one of the more solid vets on here mentioned using HOT-ROX when he comes off for the mood elevation, anti-catbolic, and to keep the fat off while eating enough to hold your gains. Definitely worth a try. Also maybe not a bad time to try some igf-1 or mybe some gh (if you can get it from your doctor).

Either way yeah it does suck and if I’m not mistaken you could be a prime candidate for hrt :wink:

[quote]T-Matt wrote:
RJ-

Man, I know EXACTLY how you feel, I am on 100mg clomid/day and .75mg femara and I am just an emotional wreck… Now I see why most guys never get off, this suxxxxxxx…

Oh well, one more week of PCT, 2 months off and it’s time for another cycle…

BTW, I have noticed that I have put on a good bit of mid-section fat… I reduced my calories to around 300 below baseline yet I’m still packing on fat. I think part of this belly fat and depression is due to high cortisol levels…

hang in there man, I’m trying my best to…

T-M@tt[/quote]

Sorry, what was that? Your avatar is just WAY too distracting to concentrate on your posts.

all teary eyed You guys are so funny and cool… ahhhh, I love you all…
Damn clomid…

hahaaha… I know what you mean, yesterday on my way to a booty call I was listening to “We Belong Together” on the radio and I shed a few tears…

Damn right I’m counting down the days until my next cycle… I already have most of my gear… It gets harder everyday when I open up my supplement drawer and the 4 vials of EQ 500 is just sitting there staring at me then I have to bend over to grab the liquid clomid and femara… If I was on i wouldn’t have to friggin bend over… FUCK… haha… Damn this clomid makes me loopy…

T-M@tt

Just a quick update to th on-going soap opera that is my PCT.

I have discovered that there is some sort of inverse relationship with the tear duct and the penis. The more I cry, the less my penis wants to do anything. And this is coming off about 11 weeks of thrice daily sex. Jana suggested that I get some help. On Thursday, I took a cialis. Problem solved.

But something happened. I don’t know if it was a combination of the clomid/arimidex/nolva and the cialis, or what, but I turned into the biggest asshole on planet earth. I never had a single occurance of ‘roid rage’ while on my cycle. In fact it was just the opposite - I felt better than I’d ever felt before.

But that’s exactly what I would call my otbursts through Saturday - roid rage. I cut myu clomid back to 50mg ed and I ahve been fine since.

Just my opinion, but clomid sucks. It is the devil’s medicine.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Just a quick update to th on-going soap opera that is my PCT.

I have discovered that there is some sort of inverse relationship with the tear duct and the penis. The more I cry, the less my penis wants to do anything. And this is coming off about 11 weeks of thrice daily sex. Jana suggested that I get some help. On Thursday, I took a cialis. Problem solved.

But something happened. I don’t know if it was a combination of the clomid/arimidex/nolva and the cialis, or what, but I turned into the biggest asshole on planet earth. I never had a single occurance of ‘roid rage’ while on my cycle. In fact it was just the opposite - I felt better than I’d ever felt before.

But that’s exactly what I would call my otbursts through Saturday - roid rage. I cut myu clomid back to 50mg ed and I ahve been fine since.

Just my opinion, but clomid sucks. It is the devil’s medicine.[/quote]

Hey, I use Silagra, a Viagra knockoff. Both of which make me feel like my head is in a vice. No headache, but extreme pressure. This can make you very irritable which works against getting laid somehow. :slight_smile: Viagra makes me as nasty as I can get.

So, I took smaller and smaller doses to see how much I really needed. Turns out just a little corner of a tab works for me and sides are almost non-existant with that dose.

Hope this helps.

Also, it is expensive a hell, but I have read where, and tried, Andriol in the morning until early afternoon during PCT. Keeps test in the system and makes you comfortable. The half life is 2-3 hours so it does not reduce natural test production. It is without a doubt a magic pill. The price will scare you though. Also, take it with fatty foods or you are wasting your money.

Really? Andriol? I read that even though it has absurdly retarded bioavailability, it is still suppressive. Interesting… I know Katz was testing the Dbol AM … but I always thought that Andriol was a joke.

Verrrrrry interesting sir.

As for me, I’m combining LR3 IGF-1 with my Clomid/Nolva PCT coming up next month. I’m pretty stoked… come on hyperplasia!!!

Oh, and yeah Rainjack… I had the same problem with the transition from “Championship Gorilla Sex” to “Bitchmaster Limpdick”… It sucks but it ends, and all the more happy you will be.

Peace

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[quote]ubiquitous wrote:
Really? Andriol? I read that even though it has absurdly retarded bioavailability, it is still suppressive. Interesting… I know Katz was testing the Dbol AM … but I always thought that Andriol was a joke.

Verrrrrry interesting sir.
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Yes, the bioavailability does suck majorly. That is one of the problems with the cost. I take no less than 3 caps at once with a fatty meal. I have taken up to 6. That is 120mg/240mg of test before absorbtion. I don’t know how much gets in but you can feel the difference if you are already in a test depleted state.

Stick with cialis RJ, it has less sides than the big blue pill. don’t go through the stress and anxiety low libido brings…pop those pills till you recover, which given the length and supressive nature of your cycle, may be a little while yet.

[quote]juice20jd wrote:
Stick with cialis RJ, it has less sides than the big blue pill. don’t go through the stress and anxiety low libido brings…pop those pills till you recover, which given the length and supressive nature of your cycle, may be a little while yet.[/quote]

I don’t know how long the cialis is supposed to last - I think like 3 days or so, right?

It’s been 5 days since I took one, and I am having no problems whatsoever with low libido today. I have some if I really need some help, but for the moment, everything is working just fine by itself. Go figure.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Stick with cialis RJ, it has less sides than the big blue pill. don’t go through the stress and anxiety low libido brings…pop those pills till you recover, which given the length and supressive nature of your cycle, may be a little while yet.

I don’t know how long the cialis is supposed to last - I think like 3 days or so, right?

It’s been 5 days since I took one, and I am having no problems whatsoever with low libido today. I have some if I really need some help, but for the moment, everything is working just fine by itself. Go figure.[/quote]

3 days is about right…thats why its called “the weekender”…its better to only take it on an “as needed” basis IMO…low libido sucks and i’d do anything to counteract it…but at the same time, i wouldn’t want to get hooked on using a crutch like cialis…a fine line to walk. you’ll figure it out just fine i’m sure.

I’m under the impression that Sildenafil Citrate (Viagra) and Tadalafil (Cialis) are just for aiding the erection, not libido. I don’t want to mince words, but you guys are both talking about taking it for libido… so I just had to jump in on this one.

In fact, during my last PCT, I took a nice hefty serving of Sildenafil. I got nice wood but the libido, the underlying urge, was in the doldrums… There is a very wrong feeling that comes along with that. lol

[quote]ubiquitous wrote:
I’m under the impression that Sildenafil Citrate (Viagra) and Tadalafil (Cialis) are just for aiding the erection, not libido. I don’t want to mince words, but you guys are both talking about taking it for libido… so I just had to jump in on this one.

In fact, during my last PCT, I took a nice hefty serving of Sildenafil. I got nice wood but the libido, the underlying urge, was in the doldrums… There is a very wrong feeling that comes along with that. lol

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I lost the urge for about 3 days right when I started PCT. I regained the urge, but was as soft as a puppy’s belly - which was when I grabbed the cialis.

It has been almost 2 weeks since I have started PCT, and other than some rather emotional outbursts on occasion, I feel like I am totally normal.

I really want to sneak into rainjack’s car and put a Mariah Carey CD in.

hehehehehehehehehe…

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Just my opinion, but clomid sucks. It is the devil’s medicine.[/quote]

I’m not convinced it’s even necessary. Nolva seems to do everything clomid does but without the pms.

(But if it’s eased up after dropping dosage to 50, I suppose it’s ok. Still, I won’t be using it.)

Shove it where the son don’t shine Xen!!! lol… ohhhh… wait… here comes the high note… We belong togetherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!! haha…

But anyhow… YESSSSSS… It is good to know that other men are suffering through the same shit I am… I, too, use cialis, but I just get aroused and just sit there with a hard-on almost not knowing where to put it… Why is it that you should go ‘off’ again? Ohh that’s right, the liver… might need that someday…

I’m going to try that AM dbol experiment next PCT… Theoretically that sounds ingenious! You know the good thing about PCT tho? You have to actually do a cycle to do PCT…hehehehehe… 26 days,13 hours and 45 minutes until my next cycle… AND it’s going to last 24 weeks…
T-M@tt

rainjack, you gotta try MACA…