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Making My Own Periworkout

I’m looking to make my own periworkout drink that I’ll drink during the training session. I have a high carb meal an hour before each training session and a large meal after already. I can’t afford Anaconda, wish I could but I can’t. I’m wondering what I could buy to mix together to make an effective drink. So far I’m thinking creatine, and some form of BCAA’s. Anything else?

[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
I’m looking to make my own periworkout drink that I’ll drink during the training session. I have a high carb meal an hour before each training session and a large meal after already. I can’t afford Anaconda, wish I could but I can’t. I’m wondering what I could buy to mix together to make an effective drink. So far I’m thinking creatine, and some form of BCAA’s. Anything else? [/quote]

maybe a gatorade powder (without hfcs) or pure dextrose?

I mean if you are eating decent meals before and after it may be unnecessary, but why not if you know your body is using these calories best around/during workouts

Yeah I figure it’s not completely necessary but I would like to try experimenting with a drink during my workouts. Besides, even if it is only a small advantage I’ll take it. I will def look into the gatorade powder. Another question, would it be better to use the Biotest leucene or BCAA’s

I’m talking about the structured peptides when I said BCAA’s in case that might have caused some confusion. I know Leucene is one of the 9 essential amino acids, so wouldn’t that be included in the peptides?

any other input?

I drink 40 grams of protein, followed by 10 grams of glycerol Monostearate in 30 ounces of water.

I then prepare my drink, which has 50 grams of carbs, 5 grams of leucine, 5 grams of creatine, 8 grams of citrulline malate, and some beta alanine. I drink half of it before workout and the rest during.

I don’t know why that gatorade powder works so well(bottles don’t do a thing) but it does.When I’m out of pre sups, I just mix up gatorade powder whith half dose whey(say 15 grams) couple caffine tabs,This gives me better pumps, than anything I’ve ever used(expensive sups)weather the pump is an indicator of a good product, who knows, but it feels awesome.

[quote]Phil NJ wrote:
I drink 40 grams of protein, followed by 10 grams of glycerol Monostearate in 30 ounces of water.

I then prepare my drink, which has 50 grams of carbs, 5 grams of leucine, 5 grams of creatine, 8 grams of citrulline malate, and some beta alanine. I drink half of it before workout and the rest during. [/quote]

Nice…
Why not just mix it all in together?

[quote]Cron391 wrote:

[quote]Phil NJ wrote:
I drink 40 grams of protein, followed by 10 grams of glycerol Monostearate in 30 ounces of water.

I then prepare my drink, which has 50 grams of carbs, 5 grams of leucine, 5 grams of creatine, 8 grams of citrulline malate, and some beta alanine. I drink half of it before workout and the rest during. [/quote]

Nice…
Why not just mix it all in together?

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  1. I find myself consuming more water by keeping certain things separate.

  2. It tastes like crap mixed together.

Any body know the ratio of Glucose:Fructose in Gatorade powder?

I used it for a long time peri workout, but I’m trying to make a hard effort to remove as much fructose as possible in effort to “feed the muscle, not the liver”

There’s another thread where using Surge Recovery as a more-economical base is discussed relatively extensively, with example methods of “punching it up” according to funds available, and still staying mid-priced.

Another approach not mentioned there would be to add the leucine peptides in an amount according to personal affordability. However, according to money available I’d probably approach it as add MAG-10 if most limited on what can be budgeted, or add Anaconda if having a little more freedom there.

I’m viewing leucine peptides as being at a level where I’d already be using Anaconda and MAG-10 before going to the peptides.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
There’s another thread where using Surge Recovery as a more-economical base is discussed relatively extensively, with example methods of “punching it up” according to funds available, and still staying mid-priced.

Another approach not mentioned there would be to add the leucine peptides in an amount according to personal affordability. However, according to money available I’d probably approach it as add MAG-10 if most limited on what can be budgeted, or add Anaconda if having a little more freedom there.

I’m viewing leucine peptides as being at a level where I’d already be using Anaconda and MAG-10 before going to the peptides.[/quote]

Bill, if already using Anaconda and MAG-10, what would be the best way to use the Leucine and BCAAs peptides. I have some left but don’t really know how to work them in my regimen. Thanks!

PS: Sorry for the hijack OP

I don’t have anything like the best possible answer on that as I have not used the leucine peptides myself as of yet, and not working with anyone who has. So that really limits things.

However, my instinct and combined with reasoning that seems rational would be to use Anaconda and MAG-10 as the pre- and during-workout nutrition, and target the leucine peptides for the 30 minutes post-workout point.

It would be a lot better to have practical results backing up the thought, but the above looks to me like a very good approach.

@eabodar, its all good man. the leucine in the store on this site says its for post workout, atleast thats what category its under.

[quote]eaboadar wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
There’s another thread where using Surge Recovery as a more-economical base is discussed relatively extensively, with example methods of “punching it up” according to funds available, and still staying mid-priced.

Another approach not mentioned there would be to add the leucine peptides in an amount according to personal affordability. However, according to money available I’d probably approach it as add MAG-10 if most limited on what can be budgeted, or add Anaconda if having a little more freedom there.

I’m viewing leucine peptides as being at a level where I’d already be using Anaconda and MAG-10 before going to the peptides.[/quote]

Bill, if already using Anaconda and MAG-10, what would be the best way to use the Leucine and BCAAs peptides. I have some left but don’t really know how to work them in my regimen. Thanks!

PS: Sorry for the hijack OP[/quote]

The best way to use up the leucine if you’re already taking Anaconda and MAG-10 would be to simply add it to your existing whole food meals. Just have a scoops worth prior to eating your whole food meal, especially that first post-training meal you have.

Bill Roberts, says; I have not used this myself, nor have I had direct contact with any one who has, so I hate to speculate. Sorry to hyjack, but this statement is why Bill is God on this site,

I’m having such a hard time deciding what I’m going to do. I guess I’m looking to take a supplement that I can get the most out of for an affordable price. I have been lifting for almost a year and a half and the only thing I have taken is a mass gainer and protein powder. I’m looking for something, I just don’t know what.

I’m debating making my own peri workout, using an already established periworkout at smaller doses, or maybe even Carbolin 19. Seems like there are some really knowledgable guys in this thread right now and it would be cool to have you try and steer me in the right direction.

Thanks

[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
I’m having such a hard time deciding what I’m going to do. I guess I’m looking to take a supplement that I can get the most out of for an affordable price. I have been lifting for almost a year and a half and the only thing I have taken is a mass gainer and protein powder. I’m looking for something, I just don’t know what.

I’m debating making my own peri workout, using an already established periworkout at smaller doses, or maybe even Carbolin 19. Seems like there are some really knowledgable guys in this thread right now and it would be cool to have you try and steer me in the right direction.

Thanks [/quote]

I would say given you’re still relatively new to lifting and that price needs to be taken into consideration it leaves you with two choices most likely. Those two choices would be to either get Surge Recovery or Surge Workout Fuel, i think most will steer you towards Surge Recovery.

You shouldn’t even consider something like Carbolin 19 at this point in time, focus on some of the basics, first be sure your diet is in check and that you’re eating the proper amounts to grow next look at peri-workout nutrition, which as i said w/your training experience, i think Surge Recovery will be of great benefit to you and keep you covered for that part of the day.

We could( and Bill Roberts may as he’s done previously) get into mixing and matching different combos to save money and still be effective but i think for a relative beginner its easier to keep it simple, get the diet and check and get some Surge Recovery for workout nutrition and then as you get further along you can step up to more advanced products.

I will say also that the new store layout is pretty great in helping decide what’s right for people, given it separates the products now by goals and even ingredients so it makes it much easier to pick and choose now, something to think about. This is just my 2cents though, i’m sure someone smarter like Mr. Roberts will chime in.

Thanks for the help eazy, that was really informative. I guess I have a few more questions though. The first is taking into consideration that I eat a pretty good high calorie meal after my workout every day (subway or home cooked), would you still recommend Surge recovery rather than workout fuel? I’m looking to start sipping this a little before training and finish it during the session (if my stomach tolerates).

Second, I know it may be real pain in the ass but would you and BIll get into the mixing and matching to show me a good alternative? I guess it would be nice to compare price and also see what would make a good peri workout supplement from the ground up. i’m always looking to learn and this stuff is pretty interesting

Not a pain in the ass at all – it wouldn’t be even if doing from fresh – but in this case it happens the exact thing is right here:

But as Eazy said, you really could use just the Surge Recovery as described in that thread, or as in the original protocol for using it pre-workout.

Where the Anaconda / MAG-10 protocol becomes more important and really shines is where either:

  1. A lifter is advanced enough and has been training long, consistently, and well enough that the situation is that he’s glad to see only a relatively small amount of added muscle per year, in other words fast muscle addition just aren’t happening anymore using standard things. And this really is the case for many. Otherwise, if you could add say 3 lb of muscle a month consistently, or even most months of the year, for years on end, we’d have lean 500 lb guys, or bigger than that even. Not so, instead plateaus are reached from which further gains tend to be very slow indeed, without doing something that is substantially better.

  2. The training program is going to be beyond what the lifter could support ordinarily.

  3. Where both are true at the same time, which is good because if wanting to break through #1, it can be very beneficial to take approach #2.

However, for most neither are actually the case and it’s not necessary to excellent gains to use the most advanced approach possible. There can be a further edge to doing so, and it is enjoyable to get still better results, but it’s not necessary, and so if it’s financially problematic, then by no means feel any need as you can do fine without any custom mixing.

If wanting to follow CT’s training protocols though, if just unable to do the full supplementation protocol he suggests and has based the training loads on I would try combining Surge Recovery and MAG-10 to get as close as individually possible.