[quote] Brook wrote:
Mateus wrote:
Brook wrote:
I remember when i first began counting calories when bulking (which is a great tip for you - count your calories in detail, this will make you think about food more, and help you to eat more) i was shooting for ~3000kcals… these days i can hit upto 5000 as a max, and try to bulk around ~4500kcal. But trust me, 5000k feels no harder than 3000k did… so all i am saying is - you get used to it 
Thanks Brooke! Just out of curiosity, what are you eating to get to 5,000kcals a day. Would like to see what your diet looks like on paper. Just to get some ideas. Yesterday I felt like complete ass from eating so much but after waking up this morning I realized that is is most likely due to the fact that I have apparently gotten sick. Have absolutely no appetite this morning and that is after sleeping for 11 hours…
For me as a slim build who doesn’t gain fat easy the answer is simple… GORGE!!
Simple carbs do me very very well… because 30mins after eating them, i am hungry again… same can be said for a protein shake with 50g protein and 50g oats and 400ml skim milk… this is highly calorific and i can get around 4 of these in a day among my regular food… alot of breads, no pasta as that fills me personally… potatoes make me hungry.
Not TOO much red meat, as it fills me too much… chicken or preferably turkey is better… or even better a white fish or maybe salmon… even an oily fish is less filling to me than steak.
If i eat a steak i wont want to eat for another 3 hours… when bulking i generally eat every 1-2hours… as much as possible.
I fill up immediately in the morning and then eat as soon as i don’t feel full - not hungry mind you… just not sick.
I can eat like this for a month or two before having to cut back a little… then jump back on again… Almost cyclic in nature - but more for psychological reason than physiological, although i believe the regular breaks is necessary both for body and mind.
Of course gains don’t come all the time, nowhere near!
I also am not natural, so this has a large effect on how much i can eat and actually benefit from. For example if i eat 2g/lb of protein a day, i can see results from that - if all is in order and my body WANTS to grow of course. If a natural ate 2g/lb they would never have the anabolism to use near that amount and it would be stored (as fats in adipose) or excreted.
Being a non-natural BB doesnt mean i CAN eat more of course, just that if i do i can benefit from it. Or am more likely to than a natural athlete.
It is neither enjoyable nor comfortable force feeding to gain… it leaves you sick, tired, bloated, and most certainly not like training (i find training earlier before getting in all the food helps - as does eating the majority of calories after working out in the late morning). It can leave you feeling fat too… but to be honest, my ‘fat’ is another’s ‘athletic’ so my judgement is off somewhat!
JMO ;)[/quote]
Thanks Brook. I think that it may be something in my diet that kills me towards the middle of the day. By the time I hit the gym, usually around 12:30 pm, I have almost 2,000 calories in over 3 meals. Once I have that PWO shake or even solid meal after lifting I hold that food for hours feeling full. As I type this now (6:45 pm)I still feel full from 2 pm.
My diet typically consists of oatmeal, eggs, egg whites, whole wheat toast, PB, chicken, steamed veggies, tuna, shakes, so on and so forth. Pretty clean. I was debating starting the cardio back up again to help with the metabolism but that will also increase the caloric need. Catch 22! I think I may try to have just a light meal for the sake of a little food about 1 1/2 hours before lifting so I am not full going into the gym. I lift good when I am there, still making gains, can’t wait to get there everyday. It is not until after that the problems start.