Mac vs PC

[quote]TriGWU wrote:
I grew up programming from an early age and never wanted to let Windows go. But I think one of the things that killed Microsoft was the lawsuit which separated Office and Windows. That is where I feel that my new Mac has some prowess. The programs integrate so much better with the OS.
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Actually, nothing really integrates with the OS on a Mac. It may integrate well with the GUI, but OSX is based on BSD UNIX (the whole philosophy of which is to separate “userland” from the OS).

That isn’t necessarily a Mac thing. That is more a byproduct of the open source BSD background of OSX. There are actually quite a few free pdf converters out there for the Windows platform as well.
We actually had a project at work where we ended up writing native pdf on the fly - since it is really just a postscript file it wasn’t as difficult as one might think.

Well, 95 was little more than a “prettying up” of 3.11. It was still basically just a shell running on top of DOS (even with 98 I believe, you could still change the environment variable SHELL to be equal to PROGMAN and get the classic 3.11 interface). XP, for its faults, is light years away from 95. The GUI still looks similar, but the OS is drastically changed.

Now, I’m no MS lover by any means, but they have done a few things right lately. The whole .NET initiative is amazing. It has totally changed the way the business world programs. I know MS has been putting more emphasis on that than a new OS, and as a programmer I thank them for it.

As a final note, I do like Macs for their aesthetics and Apple’s embracing of open source. I just don’t find them any more or less useful than a PC. Even the old ‘Macs are superior for graphic work’ argument is losing credibility as every major design program is now available on PC. If a Mac’s advantage used to lie in the PPC chip, that will go away as well with the move to Intel.

A computer technician buddy of mine told me there exists a program for Macs that clones Windows exactly and does all the job. I asked him if he could access the internet via that virtual windows. He said yes. No conflicts. Win firewall like Zone Alarm do the job, etc.

Rather impressive. And probably the only thing I needed to hear before switching to Macs for good.

PCs are fun when you have the time to play under the hood though. Which is not my case anymore.

Any more thoughts on the subject? I’ve been looking at possibly getting a Mac this fall any more input on the topic?

Any reason to go for a Mac over a PC considering the price difference?

Macs:
Graphics
Video Editing
Stable OS
Poor Gaming
No Virusus

PC:
Office
Games
Tons of viruses

Jacross, how did did you get all that sand in your vagina?

MrChill, it’s now possible to run Windows on current Mac hardware, using a utility called Boot Camp. In the last year, Apple has switched from an IBM/Motorola cpu to Intel processors, and any Apple system with the Intel chips can run WindowsXP.

[quote]GaMeOvEr305 wrote:
Any more thoughts on the subject? I’ve been looking at possibly getting a Mac this fall any more input on the topic?

Any reason to go for a Mac over a PC considering the price difference?[/quote]

A Mac will have no viruses, is easy once you learn it and costs a fuckload more.

Hell, Apple is even starting to use Intel processors.

My opinion, get a PC. Mac is a niche minority market, what do you want a computer for?

[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Macs:
Graphics
Video Editing
Stable OS
Poor Gaming
No Virusus

PC:
Office
Games
Tons of viruses[/quote]

I do graphics, video & sound on my PC, and I think the last time my OS froze (WinXP) or I caught a virus was almost 2 years ago.

If you spend money on a decent PC, with lots of ram and a good graphics card, it will work just the same as a Mac, if not better, when it comes to graphics.

This is basically how I feel:

I used macs in K-5, and 8-9 grade. Don’t know how much has changed, but deterred me enough to not get one now. And I know EXACTLY what the guy in the video is talking about for like everything… it’s true to me.

[quote]rsg wrote:
If you spend money on a decent PC, with lots of ram and a good graphics card, it will work just the same as a Mac, if not better, when it comes to graphics.[/quote]

Wrong. I’ve used both for 18 years, every day for work, and Macs are far more stable and better for graphics and video

[quote]PGA200X wrote:
rsg wrote:
If you spend money on a decent PC, with lots of ram and a good graphics card, it will work just the same as a Mac, if not better, when it comes to graphics.

Wrong. I’ve used both for 18 years, every day for work, and Macs are far more stable and better for graphics and video[/quote]

Fair enough, you’re obviously waaaaaaaay more experienced than I am - but I’m more than happy with my pc and would never trade it for a Mac. If you run the same graphics hardware & software, why is it better for graphics?

I hope Windows Vista will be something Microsoft can actually be proud of.

Photoshop & Maya both run like a dream, I have decent rendering speeds and can work with big images (10-15000 pixels, 300dpi) no problems whatsoever.

[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
This is basically how I feel:

I used macs in K-5, and 8-9 grade. Don’t know how much has changed, but deterred me enough to not get one now. And I know EXACTLY what the guy in the video is talking about for like everything… it’s true to me.[/quote]

Oh, how I remember bringing up the magical prompt of doom…

I use my Mac for music and it seems to run well enough. The only reason I got a mac is because every studio I go to a mac is the computer they use, and the lack of viruses is nice. I would say if someone needs a simple computer to get on the internet buy a pc. The new Powermac looks sweet by the way.

Im so sick of the arguements between mac and pc users, i had to listen to it for 2 years everyday in college. Some people like pc some like mac, personally I like both for different reasons, if I had a choice I would get both. Mac for internet and designing, and pc for games and movies.

[quote]PGA200X wrote:
rsg wrote:
If you spend money on a decent PC, with lots of ram and a good graphics card, it will work just the same as a Mac, if not better, when it comes to graphics.

Wrong. I’ve used both for 18 years, every day for work, and Macs are far more stable and better for graphics and video[/quote]

I’ve been a PC user for 12 years, and the “blue screen of death” was annoyingly frequent. But a year after XP’s release, I hardly ever saw a crash. Although I’m currently a linux user, I think Windows has become a very good and stable product these days.

I’ve never tried a Mac (except for some internet cafe), and I’m curious about why so many people say graphics and video is so much better on a Mac? I believe there is more available gfx/video programs on windows(?).

[quote]slappy wrote:
Im so sick of the arguements between mac and pc users, i had to listen to it for 2 years everyday in college. Some people like pc some like mac, personally I like both for different reasons, if I had a choice I would get both. Mac for internet and designing, and pc for games and movies.[/quote]

Who’s arguing?

Great. I just came over from Slashdot and I get more of the same.

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it would appear that the goal of a mac is to bacome more like a pc. why go through all the trouble of turning your mac into a pc, when you can just start there? since i only use my pc for viewing porn and playing a shitload of games, and obviously posting here, i am perfectly happy with my pc.

[quote]mazilla wrote:
it would appear that the goal of a mac is to bacome more like a pc. why go through all the trouble of turning your mac into a pc, when you can just start there? since i only use my pc for viewing porn and playing a shitload of games, and obviously posting here, i am perfectly happy with my pc.[/quote]

They changed chip makers and its cheaper for one and the performance they can get out of the new chips is something the old one could not even dream about.

[quote]pookie wrote:
Great. I just came over from Slashdot and I get more of the same.

Stay tuned for these exciting threads:

Emacs vs. vi
Java vs. .Net
Interpreted languages vs. compiled languages
Oracle vs. DB2
Delphi vs. Visual Basic
Linux vs. BSD
AIX vs. HPUX
Yahoo! vs. Google
RISC vs. CISC
BlackICE vs. ZoneAlarm
LCD vs. CRT
MS Exchange vs. Lotus Notes
MD5 vs. SHA1
PSP vs. Nintendo DS
Motorola vs. Intel
SCO vs. The World
Block ciphers vs. Stream ciphers
OOP vs. Procedural programming
GNU/Linux vs. GNU/Hurd
Mouse vs. Trackball
Object based databases vs. Relational databases
XML vs. Other formats
Unreal vs. Quake
Xbox vs. Playstation
Betamax vs. VHS
Blue-Ray vs. HD-DVD
AES vs. Twocrypt
KDE vs. Gnome
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you forgot:
M$ Office vs. OpenOffice.org
Mozilla (firefox included) vs. IE
Thunderbird vs. Outlook vs. Evolution
Apache vs. IIS
Tomcat vs. Weblogic
Jedi vs Sith
Star Wars vs LOtR (for best trilogy)
Star Trek vs TNG
Day vs. Night
Good vs. Evil
Heavan vs. Hell
up vs. down
and hot vs. cold

I’m honestly not sure what disturbs me more, the fact that I actually have opinions on almost everything listed in both posts, the fact that I’ve actually argued loudly and in depth while drunk about most of them, or the fact that no one has really mentioned linux in this whole Mac vs. PC holy war.

On the other hand, it makes me feel a whole lot better knowing I’m not the only tech geek who also reads T-Nation. Thanks.

cheers,
Jay

[quote]m0dd3r wrote:
pookie wrote:
Great. I just came over from Slashdot and I get more of the same.

Stay tuned for these exciting threads:

Emacs vs. vi
Java vs. .Net
Interpreted languages vs. compiled languages
Oracle vs. DB2
Delphi vs. Visual Basic
Linux vs. BSD
AIX vs. HPUX
Yahoo! vs. Google
RISC vs. CISC
BlackICE vs. ZoneAlarm
LCD vs. CRT
MS Exchange vs. Lotus Notes
MD5 vs. SHA1
PSP vs. Nintendo DS
Motorola vs. Intel
SCO vs. The World
Block ciphers vs. Stream ciphers
OOP vs. Procedural programming
GNU/Linux vs. GNU/Hurd
Mouse vs. Trackball
Object based databases vs. Relational databases
XML vs. Other formats
Unreal vs. Quake
Xbox vs. Playstation
Betamax vs. VHS
Blue-Ray vs. HD-DVD
AES vs. Twocrypt
KDE vs. Gnome

you forgot:
M$ Office vs. OpenOffice.org
Mozilla (firefox included) vs. IE
Thunderbird vs. Outlook vs. Evolution
Apache vs. IIS
Tomcat vs. Weblogic
Jedi vs Sith
Star Wars vs LOtR (for best trilogy)
Star Trek vs TNG
Day vs. Night
Good vs. Evil
Heavan vs. Hell
up vs. down
and hot vs. cold

I’m honestly not sure what disturbs me more, the fact that I actually have opinions on almost everything listed in both posts, the fact that I’ve actually argued loudly and in depth while drunk about most of them, or the fact that no one has really mentioned linux in this whole Mac vs. PC holy war.

On the other hand, it makes me feel a whole lot better knowing I’m not the only tech geek who also reads T-Nation. Thanks.

cheers,
Jay[/quote]

That’s way too confusing, say I chose Hell, does that mean I have to pick Evil and Dark?

I started using Commodor PET’s with 16k, awesome, back in high school. We had a Statistics class, good thing I like math. Just programming stuff, pretty boring. I then started using the first Macs and found them easy to use. Changed to PC just because of availablilty and $, way cheaper and do what I want.

PC is just as easy to use. The fucking virus thing is pain in the ass and one of the reasons I will go back to MAC. I don’t game and could care less about all the jargon, DDR, front side buss, blah, blah, blah. Who gives a fuck, I mean really, do you need to know how everything in your computer operates to use the thing? Same as car.

As long as either one does what one needs, and I bet most people just surf, email, internet, burn music, do some word type stuff and few other things.