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M1T and Older Men

Just wanted to hear the experiences of anybody like me in their 40’s and up who have used M1T. Did you notice any appreciable T-down regulation (hey I’m 40+ there is not much T normally !!), side effects, gains etc. Since I am in my 40’s and am considering M1T usage, I just wanted to hear others experiences.

Thanks in advance.

Bro, my father is in his upper 40’s and has been taking 10mg at 11am(30min pre-workout) only on workout days for about 3-4 months now…He said the pumps he gets are unlike any supplement he’s ever tried and his blood tests have confirmed that everything is in order. Get it while you can as 90 days from the prohormone ban(which I think was during the latter part of oct.) you won’t be able to legally get M1T.

MK

hey there, i’m 46 and am on week 6 at 30 mg. Have’nt noticed any real change in testosterne.My cycle will be done in another 9 weeks. If they shrivel up and fall off i’ll be sure to let you know.

I had bloodwork done 2 days after a 3 week cycle at 20Mg/day and found that my T levels were at 10% of normal… 66 and 6.2. Doc suggested suplementing with DHEA and then gave me a present of scrips for 60 Cialis and 60 Viagra. Who am I to say no to a little extra staying power :wink:

I also found that the backpain in week 3 was somewhat intense, and will retry the cycle with some 4AD I managed to ge a hold of.

More to come

[quote]btcc wrote:
hey there, i’m 46 and am on week 6 at 30 mg. Have’nt noticed any real change in testosterne.My cycle will be done in another 9 weeks. If they shrivel up and fall off i’ll be sure to let you know.[/quote]

Holy crimeny! Where did this guy get this dosing protocol??? Is he trying to damage his liver?! That’s way too long of a cycle with any oral AAS/PH, but is hepacide on a 17aa (methylated) drug. Anyone know if this guy made it through this cycle?!

TS

[quote]klaatu62 wrote:
I had bloodwork done 2 days after a 3 week cycle at 20Mg/day and found that my T levels were at 10% of normal… 66 and 6.2. Doc suggested suplementing with DHEA and then gave me a present of scrips for 60 Cialis and 60 Viagra. Who am I to say no to a little extra staying power :wink:

I also found that the backpain in week 3 was somewhat intense, and will retry the cycle with some 4AD I managed to ge a hold of.

More to come[/quote]

I thought Cialis and Viagra were drugs designed just to increase blood flow to the genitals, allowing the user to get and maintain erections. I don’t think they work through hormonal pathways. So, T levels might be indirectly elevated from the arosal but the question is: is it significant enough to raise T levels enough to become more anabolic?

TS

[quote]TopSirloin wrote:
klaatu62 wrote:
I had bloodwork done 2 days after a 3 week cycle at 20Mg/day and found that my T levels were at 10% of normal… 66 and 6.2. Doc suggested suplementing with DHEA and then gave me a present of scrips for 60 Cialis and 60 Viagra. Who am I to say no to a little extra staying power :wink:

I also found that the backpain in week 3 was somewhat intense, and will retry the cycle with some 4AD I managed to ge a hold of.

More to come

I thought Cialis and Viagra were drugs designed just to increase blood flow to the genitals, allowing the user to get and maintain erections. I don’t think they work through hormonal pathways. So, T levels might be indirectly elevated from the arosal but the question is: is it significant enough to raise T levels enough to become more anabolic?

TS
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That’s like saying Cialis/Viagra are minor versions of testosterone. While there may be a short-term effect on testosterone levels during an erection or during sex, it is rather minimal and will not have any anabolic effects.

No no… That was not the intention. I went for those for other reasons, mostly because I suddenly became single again and felt a need for some confidence as I had been in a monogamous relationship for 7 years. The reason I asked for the help was strictly to combat performance anxiety! There is NO anabolic effect in either of these, they are strictly ways of increasing blood flow to the member.

The only reason I brought them up was that I wanted to point out why the bloodwork was requested, and the results of it. As a result I can state for a fact that post cycle produces an EXTREME drop in levels, and if you have not planned out your PCT ahead of time, do it before it’s too late. The resulting lethargy can cause a rahter large drop in Gym Performance.

Strangely enough, even with those low levels, it has not been a problem the way I believed it might be, and the one dose of “V” I have used ended up giving me the staying power of a 17 year old!

On a similar but different note, I would like to solicite opinions on something. I have read a lot about folks stating their BF% before and right after a cycle, and from there counting their lean muscle mass. But from what I understand and what I have experienced personally, M1T tends to create some fairly severe water retention. If I used an electronic BF analyser and tried to derive lean muscle mass from the results, while my body was retaining 7 or 8 pounds of water, would that not throw off the results entirely?? Wouldn’t the overall hydration possibly even throw off the analyser??

IMHO I think that you can only get accurate results by measuring before the cycle, and probably 7 to 10 days after it. My personal results were a drop of 7% right after cycle (15 pounds of non fat mass), and a gain of 8 pounds, but 10 days after cycle, it was more like a drop of 1 pound, and 3% (7 pounds). While this is a rather remarkable difference, it is still highly admireable for a cycle of 2 weeks and the same time off.

Any takers on this??

Anyone know if this guy made it through this cycle?!

TS

Maybe he got the Chinese herbalist version of the thing. I would think that he would be undergoing a transplant by now if he continues that way! I don’t think I would dare going over 3 weeks on the stuff, although the shop I deal with has some very well informed staff that confided that many of their clients that use it go to 6 on 4 off. He suggested 3on/2off 2on/3off and using Tribulus 1 week before the end of the M1T/4AD portion of the cycle for 14 days along with Milk Thistle for the entire time and 6-OXO during the off cycle.

It’s getting so that my breakfast of Champions is looking more like something designed for astronauts! Three handfulls and a big glass of water! By the time I get all the freakin pills down, there is no room left for real food.

Hydroxycut X3
Glucosamine X2
CoQ10 X2
Omega3 X2
Muscle Jack X3
Fiber X2
M1T X1 / 4AD X2 or 6OXO X1
Milk Thistle X3

18 to 20 bloody capsules each and every morning! (Not to mention before lunch and dinner!)

Lastly, does anyone know how MAG-10 compares to M1T?? Can you alternate cycles?? Stack them?? Are they similar or do they operate totally differently??

TIA

Klaatu61

It’s getting so that my breakfast of Champions is looking more like something designed for astronauts! Three handfulls and a big glass of water! By the time I get all the freakin pills down, there is no room left for real food.

Hydroxycut X3
Glucosamine X2
CoQ10 X2
Omega3 X2
Muscle Jack X3
Fiber X2
M1T X1 / 4AD X2 or 6OXO X1
Milk Thistle X3

18 to 20 bloody capsules each and every morning! (Not to mention before lunch and dinner!)

Lastly, does anyone know how MAG-10 compares to M1T?? Can you alternate cycles?? Stack them?? Are they similar or do they operate totally differently??

TIA

Klaatu61[/quote]

Klaatu61, why are you taking Muscle Jack with M1T? That’s making the Muscle Jack extremely redundant… in effect you’re trying to promote endogenous test production while introducing very powerful exogenous methyl-1 test. Do Muscle Jack between cycles to help recover low T levels… also, why are you taking a thermogenic with what would seem to be a bulk cycle? I’m not sure bro, but I would advise trying to get one result at a time… Just my opinion.
In response with your question about MAG-10 sizing up to M1T, apparently M1T is the more potent of the two… but it is very hepatoxic… meaning it damages your liver. I’m sure you know this because you’re taking milk thistle. From what I know, I gained a lot more from M1T (strength-wise) than MAG-10… although I was training 5X5 with M1t, which would explain the strength gains… meh… what do I know anyways.

oh… nevermind… I read your post thoroughly this time… I gotcha… disregard what I said… staggering… gotcha…

OK Gents, I have been handed the keys to a treasure trove of unexpired goodies. The question is what to keep, and what to pass on…

Here is the list. I know about some of these things, but others are outside of my knowledge area.

Any suggestions are appreciated:

1-TU
GetMassStack
GetMassStack
Paradeca
Decavar
OnCycle (Original)
A100
MAG-10 Destroyer
4-AD-EC Liquid
Testobol
1-T Estergel
T-Bomb
M1T Liquid
Liposomal EQ
Syngex II
Mad250
Adro Popper
Animal Test

In some cases there is only 1 bottle, in other cases there is a case lot or more. All expiry dates are 2007 or later.

Any suggestions as to what is worth claiming??

K62

Man there are endless possibilties with the ph’s you have just listed. Almost all are worth keeping with the possible exception of the animal test and the Getmass Stack, the later only cause I have never heard of it. The animal one cause a buddy double dosed it and got nothing.

PM me with a the list with how much of each bottle you have and from what I can remember of each I will try to put together some note worthy cycles for you.
DA