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Louis Simmons on Right Weight Class?

I’ve heard about an article Louis wrote years ago providing a way to figure out which weight class you should lift in. I don’t know which publication he wrote the article for (I couldn’t find it on the Westside website) and I don’t know a whole lot about the article. If anyone is familiar with it and could help me out that would be great.

Thanks!

Matt

Starting at 198 and 5’6, add a weight class for every 2 inches!! That’s just my personal opinion.

I remember him saying gain weight until your deadlift goes down, move back a class and lift there.

[quote]Hanley wrote:
I remember him saying gain weight until your deadlift goes down, move back a class and lift there.[/quote]

What? I don’t understand this. Can you elaborate? Is this some quip about a guys gut affecting his deadlift?

[quote]goochadamg wrote:
Hanley wrote:
I remember him saying gain weight until your deadlift goes down, move back a class and lift there.

What? I don’t understand this. Can you elaborate? Is this some quip about a guys gut affecting his deadlift?

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Also having to grip the bar wider too, perhaps.

[quote]goochadamg wrote:
Hanley wrote:
I remember him saying gain weight until your deadlift goes down, move back a class and lift there.

What? I don’t understand this. Can you elaborate? Is this some quip about a guys gut affecting his deadlift?

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Essentially I believe that was his argument alright.

Basically, gaining weight improves your leverages for the squat and bench, and won’t negatively effect your deadlift, up to a point!

[quote]Hanley wrote:
Starting at 198 and 5’6, add a weight class for every 2 inches!! That’s just my personal opinion.

I remember him saying gain weight until your deadlift goes down, move back a class and lift there.[/quote]

Holy Crap!!!

I’ve got a lot of weight to put on…

[quote]mahwah wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Starting at 198 and 5’6, add a weight class for every 2 inches!! That’s just my personal opinion.

I remember him saying gain weight until your deadlift goes down, move back a class and lift there.

Holy Crap!!!

I’ve got a lot of weight to put on…[/quote]

Yeah tbh I don’t think it’s the best of ideas because obviously if you were to gain weight til your gut gets in the way, you’re gonna end up fat!

I’ve kind of approached it the opposite way I guess.

I feel like I’m just reaching my full potential at 181. This summer, I’ll make the push for 198 and then try to max out there.

I know you have recently jumped weight classes, pretty successfully it seems. What is your opinion on making the push?

[quote]Hanley wrote:
Starting at 198 and 5’6, add a weight class for every 2 inches!! That’s just my personal opinion.

I remember him saying gain weight until your deadlift goes down, move back a class and lift there.[/quote]

I thought it was just a joke in the sense of powerlifters are all about eating everything and anything in sight. o well…lol then again if you eat yourself THAT fat you will probably have more problems to deal with than just bar positioning when deadlifting.

Obviously it isn’t powerlifting, but I thought this old Soviet weightlifting chart (data gathered from when the press was competed) might be relevant to the dicussion:

http://weightliftingexchange.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=62

Class:
114 - 4’-9"
123 - 4’-10.5"
132 - 5’-1"
148 - 5’-3"
165 - 5’-4.5"
181 - 5’-6"
198 - 5’-7"
220 - 5’-9"
242 - 5’-10"
SHW - 6’-1"

Just some interesting stats.

[quote]Hanley wrote:
mahwah wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Starting at 198 and 5’6, add a weight class for every 2 inches!! That’s just my personal opinion.

I remember him saying gain weight until your deadlift goes down, move back a class and lift there.

Holy Crap!!!

I’ve got a lot of weight to put on…

Yeah tbh I don’t think it’s the best of ideas because obviously if you were to gain weight til your gut gets in the way, you’re gonna end up fat!
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Where’s the problem with that? :wink:

[quote]Hanley wrote:
Starting at 198 and 5’6, add a weight class for every 2 inches!! That’s just my personal opinion.

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Ah, fuck. I guess I need to man up and go SHW then. Actually though. If I think of bad ass lifters I’ve met, that height/weight proportion is pretty accurate.

[quote]Pinto wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Starting at 198 and 5’6, add a weight class for every 2 inches!! That’s just my personal opinion.

Ah, fuck. I guess I need to man up and go SHW then. Actually though. If I think of bad ass lifters I’ve met, that height/weight proportion is pretty accurate.

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Yah I actually had a think about it before I said it. It wasn’t random numbers believe it or not!!

Hoop’s like 5’4 at 165/181 right?

Coan’s around 5’6 (I think) and has been 198 to 242

Most lightheavy’s (242) tend to be between 5’8 and 5’10 and once you move above 6 foot you’re realistically looking at SHW as being the only way to maximise your leverages!!

fuuuuccckkkk. SHW? man… i cant afford that much food…

As a pretty general rule for strength stuff, if you think you’re heavy enough you’re probably not.

…as I go get some Doritos…

I have to think that height is not the only determining factor in one’s ideal weight for strength. I would think one’s skeletal frame has to play a role. Someone that is 5’9" but has a small frame with small joints probably wouldn’t be able to handle 242 pounds while fairly lean.

[quote]mrodock wrote:
I have to think that height is not the only determining factor in one’s ideal weight for strength. I would think one’s skeletal frame has to play a role. Someone that is 5’9" but has a small frame with small joints probably wouldn’t be able to handle 242 pounds while fairly lean.[/quote]

What is this notion of being “fairly lean?”

[quote]Hanley wrote:
Starting at 198 and 5’6, add a weight class for every 2 inches!! That’s just my personal opinion.

I remember him saying gain weight until your deadlift goes down, move back a class and lift there.[/quote]

Damn. Im going to need another 17 lbs.

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
mrodock wrote:
I have to think that height is not the only determining factor in one’s ideal weight for strength. I would think one’s skeletal frame has to play a role. Someone that is 5’9" but has a small frame with small joints probably wouldn’t be able to handle 242 pounds while fairly lean.

What is this notion of being “fairly lean?”
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As someone who’s had sleep apnea since they weighed 95 pounds at 5’7" at 13 years old, not getting that fat is imperative for some of us.

i also think that movin up to the right weight class for your height takes a lot and lot of time. you cant (or i guess you could) just eat your way all the way up.

you still need to be getting stronger all at the same time. there is essentially that law of diminishing returns…