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Louie/Westside Leaving APF/WPO

Saw this last night:

http://goheavy.com/forums/debate/index.cgi/read/120576.

So is the IPA next, or do you think that a Westsider will form a new lifting federation?

What ever the outcome, I think now is the time to market the sport better. Hopefully the “Pro” division will actually offer money this time!

What happened at the Arnold?

Kidder basicallly ass-raped some of the Ukraian lifters and didn’t pay out the proper prize money to the division winners.

I believe it went something like this, one of the Ukrainian lifters couldn’t get sponsorship to pay the lifter fee ($3,000) and as a result Kidder has sent out numerous threats and said he’ll only be allowed lift in the WPO if he pays the $3000 plus an additional $2000 fine.

As a result of this (claims KK) the lightweight, middle weight and heavy weight lifters only got half the prize money they were due. (1,500 instead of 3,000). Take a second and work out the math of that. KK was “down” 3k but ended up using it as an excuse to udner pay the prize fund by $4,500.

I saw a messag efrom Kutcher somewhere saying that since he was still owed money from several comps that could just be offset against what the other lifter “owed”.

Basically Kiearan Kidder is a money grabbing shite bag.

**I believe everything I’ve said is correct, but I may be off on some of the facts.

From GoHeavy:

Taisia:

Hello. I can’t tell you how upset you have made me by refusing to pay Me the $3000 you promised you would have before the contest started. Even if you had not bombed out in the deadlift you still would have been disqualified since you lied about the getting the money before the deadlift started.

Kind of ironic that you screwed the WPO over, but you you ended up screwing yourself over by missing all 3 deadlifts. Now to get back into the WPC/WPO you must pay the $3000 Arnold Classic Guest Lifter Fee, and additional $2000 fine for a total of $5000.You have no choice, but to pay this money if you want to continue on lifting in the WPC/WPO.

The way I see it you are responsible for your 2 of your own Countrymen not receiving the prize money they deserved.

Oleksandr Kutcher 2 time WPO Lightweight Champion, and Evgen Yarymbash the new WPO Heavyweight Champion only got $1500 each, if you had paid the money you promised they would have been able to receive $3000 each. I will make sure that Spartak makes them aware of this.

You will have 2 WPO World Champions who are your fellow Ukrainian Teammates mad at you for your selfishness. I had planned on using that money for all 4 WPO Champions to receive prize money. By not paying your $3000 Guest Lifter fee you are also responsible for WPO Middleweight Champion Dondell Blue, and WPO Superheavyweight Champion Andrew Bolton not getting $3000 each.

Andrew Bolton is the best powerlifter in the World!! Your a nobody whose self centered thoughtlessness ways are preventing the Worlds Greatest Powerlifter from getting prize money.

I have sacrificed more time, energy, and money into this sport than anybody in the history of powerlifting. You are one of thousands of lifters who want to lift in the in the Arnold Classic at the WPO Finals.

Yes I did not mention the Guest Lifter fee in Lake George New York to to lift in WPO Finals at the Arnold Classic. But that is not the point! You are a great upcoming talent no doubt. But with that being said you are only 20 years old, and havent completely proven yourself.

You are one of many high level female powerlifters, and I can think of 6 female lifters I would have picked before you if they were ready to lift.

So out of respect/appreciation you should have been more than happy to pay the Me/WPO the money to Guest Lift, and I know for a fact your sponsor gave you the money. But you chose to be a greedy person instead, which explains your negative attitude. We might not speak the same language, but I can tell by looking at you that you are a lifter who only cares about herself. So now your greediness is going to cost $5000 total to get back in the WPC/WPO.

I know you have been kicked out of the IPF, and the whole powerlifting world knows the GPC is for second rate lifters. For the sake of your powerlifting career I would get your sponsor to get you the money as soon as possible. If you have nowhere to compete your sponsor won’t want to sponsor you anymore. Get Spartak the $5000 immediately!! Good day!!

Kieran Kidder, WPC/WPO President.

Like I said, do the math. Fucking Bullshit.

yes, they are leaving and have been going that way for awhile. don’t look for them to start a new federation any time soon, but they will be hosting a big meet in a few months, inviting many of the best lifters from all over the world. they plan to make this an annual huge event, comparing it to the Mountaineer Cup from back in the day, using multiple lifter teams and coeffecient to level the playing field. should be awesome. hope this helps.

Kidder has a long reputation for screwing lifters.

And as always, Louie has a long reputation for being a complete class act.

The WPO lost a lot more than the 50 or so westside lifters, as I guarantee many more will follow Louie out of (well deserved) respect.

If I’m not mistaken, I believe a good number of lifters also defected after Shawn Lattimer was banned a while back.

[quote]wressler125 wrote:
Kidder has a long reputation for screwing lifters.

And as always, Louie has a long reputation for being a complete class act.

The WPO lost a lot more than the 50 or so westside lifters, as I guarantee many more will follow Louie out of (well deserved) respect.

If I’m not mistaken, I believe a good number of lifters also defected after Shawn Lattimer was banned a while back.[/quote]

Kieran is a joke. I’m on the medical staff at he Arnold. One of my colleagues is the host for the rRussian guy from israel, Vladislav not sure of his last name. It seems he was owed money also, ( like a bunch of others) and he demaned Vlad be paid to Kieran’s joke of an announcer guy. He was verbally and physically threatened.

To bad for him though, since my bud called security. He told them what happened and they escorted the ass clown away.

He then spelled out the whole mess in a nice 4 page letter to whoever is in charge of this type of stuff. He doubts Jim Lorimer knew what was going on.

I don’t know what the chain of command is, but I’m sure Lorimer will be told of this.

I don’t know how much trouble this will cause Kieran, but it won’t help him.

BTW, Kuthcer and Vlad aren’t they only ones screwed. Donnie Thompson among others never was paid.

NONE of the winners were paid the right amount. And from the reports Ive heard that was most definately NOT a oncce off thing.

[quote]wressler125 wrote:
Kidder has a long reputation for screwing lifters.

And as always, Louie has a long reputation for being a complete class act.

The WPO lost a lot more than the 50 or so westside lifters, as I guarantee many more will follow Louie out of (well deserved) respect.

If I’m not mistaken, I believe a good number of lifters also defected after Shawn Lattimer was banned a while back.[/quote]

Not to be a tool or anything, but Westside doesn’t have 50 lifters in the WPO. Shit, I don’t know if Westside has 50 competetive lifters. I totally agree with everthing else you said though!

[quote]dead_lifter5000 wrote:
wressler125 wrote:
Kidder has a long reputation for screwing lifters.

And as always, Louie has a long reputation for being a complete class act.

The WPO lost a lot more than the 50 or so westside lifters, as I guarantee many more will follow Louie out of (well deserved) respect.

If I’m not mistaken, I believe a good number of lifters also defected after Shawn Lattimer was banned a while back.

Not to be a tool or anything, but Westside doesn’t have 50 lifters in the WPO. Shit, I don’t know if Westside has 50 competetive lifters. I totally agree with everthing else you said though! [/quote]

They might have 50 or so, but you’re right they’re not all WPO. but they do have a bunch of guys doing APF meets. That and possibly Elite sponsored lifters
would really hurt the WPO.

[quote]dead_lifter5000 wrote:
Not to be a tool or anything, but Westside doesn’t have 50 lifters in the WPO. Shit, I don’t know if Westside has 50 competetive lifters. I totally agree with everthing else you said though! [/quote]

I think the point is that there’s a lot of guys that are either training with Louie or who are associated with him that will be leaving the WPO.

From what I heard, the threat to leave the WPO was made before the Arnold, but they decided that if the Arnold went off with zero issues, then they wouldn’t leave, but as expected, there was a debacle at the Arnold and Louie and many, many others are on their way out.

I personally think this is a very good thing that’s happening. What needs to happen is to somehow unify everything if it’s ever possible.

One Banner!!

Well, not sure if it’s officially going to be the org of the future, but here’s the next money meet that Louie and Dave are promoting:
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=51880&tid=50.

Word has it that the UPA is going to be the one…they’re aggressively going after sponsorship and promise to really market Powerlifting. This is a good move, IMO.

[quote]Dominator wrote:
Word has it that the UPA is going to be the one…they’re aggressively going after sponsorship and promise to really market Powerlifting. This is a good move, IMO.[/quote]

The UPA sounds like it could be the real deal. Lets just hope it doesn’t go the way of IPA.

I think the UPA has the right people in charge to make this go right at least.

[quote]Dominator wrote:
I think the UPA has the right people in charge to make this go right at least.[/quote]

Yeah with Bill Carpenter and the likes on board it’s looking promising. At least they’ve a lifter running it this time…