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LL PRIME 9-22-05


EDIT: CD giveaway, see below!

Hi All,
After sleazing around Dave Barr's thread last time, I'm setting up shop here tonight.

Got questions?


Dr. L:

What are your thoughts on DHEA?

Like everything else, I think that it was overhyped...and used incorrectly...BUT seems to be useful IF:

1) You check your levels.

2) Monitor your levels.

3) Use it only when your levels are low. (LEF suggest that if one is over 40 or so, your levels WILL be low).

What are your thoughts on it as a supplement?



Hey Mufasa.

As one of things that indirectly started the "prohormone" industry, DHEA kind of got left by the wayside in many circles as more potent (T precursor) compounds came into play.

As its concentrations do fall with age, I think there may be something to DHEA in its own right (prior to any conversion). The first paper I ever looked at on DHEA, ages ago, resulted in fat loss among the experimental subjects. I don't think this has panned out much, though. But since then I've seen interesting work done with lupus patients (autoimmune pts.) as well. The simple concept of replacing a relative deficiency would increase it's potential for effects.

I don't intend to supplement it myself but I think it's worth digging through some literature when making one's own decision.


Hi Dr. Lowery, I have a quick question for you. Lately I have been reading in nutrition textbooks(I am a senior in college studying exercise science) and I keep coming across portions that warn of ingesting too high of levels of certain vitamins and minerals, Vitamin D for example. The book lists negative side effects and warns of how toxic levels of Vitamin D could cause problems in healthy individuals. I was wondering if you know of how frequently occurring a vitamin toxicity is in a "normal" healthy individual, and what vitamins and minerals are more frequently over ingested(my guess would be vitamin C). To me it seems like there is a far greater chance of not ingesting adequate amounts of vitamins and minerals, than of getting toxic, harmful levels. I eat about 8-10 servings of fruits and vegetables a day and take a daily multivitamin, so is there a chance that I may be ingesting dangers levels of some vitamins? Thanks :slight_smile:


Dr L:

Mike Robertson mentioned that if I was to post something intelligent in your discussion thread this evening, a prize could result.

I'm having trouble with the "intelligent" part, darn it.

Seriously, though, I do have a question. I work out in the later evening (9pm), and for my PWO shake -- not long before bed -- I combine Surge with one scoop of Grow for the casein overnight prevent muscle catabolism thing. Is this reasonable? I also take ZMA and my evening Alpha Male at this time, although I understand that calcium and magnesium compete. It's not optimal, I realize, but is there any really bad synergy goin' on here?

thanks, Richard


Doc, have you ever tried powerlifting?

Are you forced into using a "powerlifting-style" bench due to your injury?



Looks like things are a bit slow tonight. Because the whole Nutrition Forum is rather quiet this evening and because I can only stay online until 8:45 PM, I am extending an offer until an undisclosed time tomorrow...

Simply post something intelligent about your toughest nutrition challenge/ pitfall.

That's it. I'll look-in tomorrow and randomly choose a Forumite who answers.


Dr. LL,

Could you explain the nature of prostaglandins and what nutrients (like EFAs, etc) affect (or modulate) them ?

ie. How to prostanglandins fit into the big picture so to speak. .. ?


Are you familiar with the UL (upper level) for nutrients? It generally refers to supplements and can be found on the inside cover of most nutirtion textbooks. Whole foods rarely cause overdose. Some individual nutrients have a higher toxicity risk (and thus a lower UL), others like vitamins C and E have a UL waay above their RDA (less toxicity risk).

I don't have overdose prevalence stats on hand but relative to your question, I have seen recent data that here in the Midwest vit D "deficiency" (subclinical) is a problem due to low sunlight in the winter months.


Doc -

I'm really not trying to win the free stuff, promise :wink:

From what I understand you are formulating the new EPA/DHA product for Biotest. I'm hugely interested in inflammation and the ailments it contributes to (specifically arthritis). So here's my question: What will make your formulation different or better than others. Thanks!

Stay strong


No, not officially. (Although I've often trained with them.)


Yes. (Dude, you are astute. Seriously!)


I'm out of here for the evening. I'll get to answering the posts that have been made (even if you just want the free CD!)...

and I hope to see some more posts by tomorrow when I check back in!

Good night, all!!


What is the scoop on Avena Sativa with the coside content being at least 5-7% in a 10:1 mix with respect to being able to increase fT by around 20-25%? Read by Jim Stoppani PhD that it's a good buy/use. Thoughts? Being just over 30, I'm looking to keep the rocks still rollin' :wink:.



LL, can you help me out with my post workout dilemma? I am successfully using the Anabolic Diet. I have (for the last 5 years been on top of the science behind PWO nutrition. Now, however I am asked to toss that PWO shake etc. into the trash and consume whey and oils/fats etc. PWO.

I find it difficult to argue with either method yet they are diametrically opposed to one another.

What gives?

Thanks, LL



I remember reading(could have been in another PrimeTime thread, or an old ThinkTank)something you said about the effects of higher amounts of fat PWO and it not being as bad a deal as previously thought. Was I dreaming? Is there any more light you can shed on this subject? Thanks!


Hi Lonnie

What are your thoughts on Flax seed powder. I know you warn against the use of oil due to the prostate issue.

Many thanks


This is more of a personal preference question:

How do you balance and implement changes to your nutrition program as new and/or conflicting research surfaces?

Some examples are:
Ca interfering with Mg absorption vs. our own Berardi recommends Ca & Mg together (on his website).

Impacts of midnight snacks (such as Barr recommends) vs. the potential negative impact on resting T-levels

The examples could go on and on, so in summary, what do you use to form the basis of your decision and do you consider the body's ability/desire to revert to homeostasis when making your decision?

(I hope this makes sense)


LL do you find that taking a Pre-WO drink (outside of a booster ie. Power Drive) as essential to the building process as a Pre bedtime shake? Both serve in muscle preservation during catabolic states.



Two Vitamins

1) One vitamin getting a lot of press lately is Vitamin K...interestingly enough, not in its relation to clotting, etc., but in its relation to "stronger bones" and osteoporosis "prevention" (maybe a little bit much, but that's what's appearing in the press).

Is there a need to supplement with Vitamin K...or is this one of the vitamins that we can probably get sufficient amounts of in our diet?

2) The other is Vitamin D. Don't we get sufficient conversion in the body IF we are getting sufficient sunlight?

If we don't eat a lot of dairy (especially milk), does it need to be supplemented?




Hey LL,

I asked a similar question during your combo primetime with DB, but didn't get to see your thoughts on it:

In relation to postworkout nurition, how does the body handle simulatenous ingestion of nutrients that differ slightly in how fast they are absorbed? As in, if I take Surge post-workout, but also consume some whey isolate, lactose and sucrose within the same immediate timeframe, will the slightly slower acting ingredients in the latter group "get in the way" of the faster absorbing ingredients in Surge?