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Lixy, Can You Explain This to Me?

QURAN 4:34 - "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient.

They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."

What are your views on this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWGA8i6scYY

And extremest view of that passage.

Do you have a peer reviewed journal on this?

Your conspiracy films on youtube carry no weight.

How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. Incase you can’t read, Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.

[quote]John S. wrote:
How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. incase you can’t read. Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.[/quote]

From Leviticus 20 (English Standard Version)

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Mind explaining to me how a religion can prescribe DEATH for things like cheating or being gay?

Or that, if you have sex with a woman and her mother, that the three of you should be BURNED ALIVE?

[quote]John S. wrote:
How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. incase you can’t read. Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.[/quote]

Religions’ funny that way…

God help us all: The No. 2 book on Amazon right now is a “Christian” plea for attacking Iran

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. incase you can’t read. Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.

From Leviticus 20 (English Standard Version)

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Mind explaining to me how a religion can prescribe DEATH for things like cheating or being gay?

Or that, if you have sex with a woman and her mother, that the three of you should be BURNED ALIVE?

[/quote]

As a student of culture (anthropology), I must remind us all to remember that it is those who demand a literal belief in these ancient texts who must be watched out for. It is “true believers/fundamentalists” that are the problem when dealing with ancient religio-historical texts whose fit into modern global society is tenous at best.

Ahhh, actually it makes sense now that I watched the video – and saw WHO translated it…

Selective Memri
Brian Whitaker investigates whether the ‘independent’ media institute that translates the Arabic newspapers is quite what it seems

August 12, 2002
Guardian Unlimited

The organisation that makes these translations and sends them out is the Middle East Media Research Institute b[/b], based in Washington but with recently-opened offices in London, Berlin and Jerusalem.

Its work is subsidised by US taxpayers because as an “independent, non-partisan, non-profit” organisation, it has tax-deductible status under American law.

Memri’s purpose, according to its website, is to bridge the language gap between the west - where few speak Arabic - and the Middle East, by “providing timely translations of Arabic, Farsi, and Hebrew media”…

The second thing that makes me uneasy is that the stories selected by Memri for translation follow a familiar pattern: either they reflect badly on the character of Arabs or they in some way further the political agenda of Israel. I am not alone in this unease.

Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations told the Washington Times: “Memri’s intent is to find the worst possible quotes from the Muslim world and disseminate them as widely as possible…”

Evidence from Memri’s website also casts doubt on its non-partisan status. Besides supporting liberal democracy, civil society, and the free market, the institute also emphasises “the continuing relevance of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel”.

That is what its website used to say, but the words about Zionism have now been deleted. The original page, however, can still be found in internet archives.

The reason for Memri’s air of secrecy becomes clearer when we look at the people behind it. The co-founder and president of Memri, and the registered owner of its website, is an Israeli called Yigal Carmon.

Mr - or rather, Colonel - Carmon spent 22 years in Israeli military intelligence and later served as counter-terrorism adviser to two Israeli prime ministers, Yitzhak Shamir and Yitzhak Rabin.

Retrieving another now-deleted page from the archives of Memri’s website also throws up a list of its staff. Of the six people named, three - including Col Carmon - are described as having worked for Israeli intelligence…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,4480174-105806,00.html

As a side note, I’m reminded of another recent “Memri” story…
How MEMRI fooled the U.S Media with its Mickey Mouse Translation
http://www.uruknet.web.at.it/colonna-centrale-pagina.php?p=m32878&size=1&hd=0&l=e

KNOW YOUR PROPAGANDA.

[quote]John S. wrote:
Incase you can’t read, Ill break it down for your punk ass. [/quote]

Was that really necessary?

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. incase you can’t read. Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.

From Leviticus 20 (English Standard Version)

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Mind explaining to me how a religion can prescribe DEATH for things like cheating or being gay?

Or that, if you have sex with a woman and her mother, that the three of you should be BURNED ALIVE?

[/quote]

I can explain this. When throwing up the old testament you better understand the bible or you will be taken to school. With that in mind please allow me to show you.

Before Jesus sacrificed himself the for the sins of the world God was vengeful.(you would be too if you considered every sin a blatant attack with no apology). They had to sacrifice an animal for forgiveness for every sin.

God classified certain sins with certain punishments back then. Since the christian religion is based more on the new testament where we have already received the ultimate sacrifice all we have to do is ask and we are forgiven, God is not as vengeful so those old styles are out the window.

If any religion would follow those rules it would be judaism.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
John S. wrote:
Incase you can’t read, Ill break it down for your punk ass.

Was that really necessary? [/quote]

Yes it was. You knew what the vids where for and yet ignored it and thought that was my only evidence, you skipped over the passage from there holy book, did you just expect me to just sit there and not call you out on it and insult your intelligence?

[quote]John S. wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. incase you can’t read. Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.

From Leviticus 20 (English Standard Version)

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Mind explaining to me how a religion can prescribe DEATH for things like cheating or being gay?

Or that, if you have sex with a woman and her mother, that the three of you should be BURNED ALIVE?

I can explain this. When throwing up the old testament you better understand the bible or you will be taken to school. With that in mind please allow me to show you.

Before Jesus sacrificed himself the for the sins of the world God was vengeful.(you would be too if you considered every sin a blatant attack with no apology). They had to sacrifice an animal for forgiveness for every sin.

God classified certain sins with certain punishments back then. Since the christian religion is based more on the new testament where we have already received the ultimate sacrifice all we have to do is ask and we are forgiven, God is not as vengeful so those old styles are out the window.

If any religion would follow those rules it would be judaism.
[/quote]

Three times Jesus said he was not there to take back the old rules. Unless Jesus sepcifically said it was to be changed, all the Old Testament teachings still apply.

And have you read Timothy?

“No woman shall teach men, for woman should never hold power over men” (Paraphrase)

The bible, New and Old Testament is filled with disgusting garbage, encouraging the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. But we can just go ahead and ignore all that because “Jesus was good”.

Jesus didn’t write the goddamn Bible. He was dead two hundred years before they even began writing the New Testament books.

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are ALL faiths based on Semitic tradition. Christianity just happens to have a greater mix of Pagan Indo-European influence.

[quote]John S. wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. incase you can’t read. Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.

From Leviticus 20 (English Standard Version)

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Mind explaining to me how a religion can prescribe DEATH for things like cheating or being gay?

Or that, if you have sex with a woman and her mother, that the three of you should be BURNED ALIVE?

I can explain this. When throwing up the old testament you better understand the bible or you will be taken to school. With that in mind please allow me to show you.

Before Jesus sacrificed himself the for the sins of the world God was vengeful.(you would be too if you considered every sin a blatant attack with no apology). They had to sacrifice an animal for forgiveness for every sin.

God classified certain sins with certain punishments back then. Since the christian religion is based more on the new testament where we have already received the ultimate sacrifice all we have to do is ask and we are forgiven, God is not as vengeful so those old styles are out the window.

If any religion would follow those rules it would be judaism.
[/quote]

So those quotes would be out of context today, since the whole “Jesus dying for our sins” thing happened.

Have you researched the Quran at all to see if what you quoted is still considered to be in context and practice?

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
John S. wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. incase you can’t read. Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.

From Leviticus 20 (English Standard Version)

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Mind explaining to me how a religion can prescribe DEATH for things like cheating or being gay?

Or that, if you have sex with a woman and her mother, that the three of you should be BURNED ALIVE?

I can explain this. When throwing up the old testament you better understand the bible or you will be taken to school. With that in mind please allow me to show you.

Before Jesus sacrificed himself the for the sins of the world God was vengeful.(you would be too if you considered every sin a blatant attack with no apology). They had to sacrifice an animal for forgiveness for every sin.

God classified certain sins with certain punishments back then. Since the christian religion is based more on the new testament where we have already received the ultimate sacrifice all we have to do is ask and we are forgiven, God is not as vengeful so those old styles are out the window.

If any religion would follow those rules it would be judaism.

Three times Jesus said he was not there to take back the old rules. Unless Jesus sepcifically said it was to be changed, all the Old Testament teachings still apply.

And have you read Timothy?

“No woman shall teach men, for woman should never hold power over men” (Paraphrase)

The bible, New and Old Testament is filled with disgusting garbage, encouraging the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. But we can just go ahead and ignore all that because “Jesus was good”.

Jesus didn’t write the goddamn Bible. He was dead two hundred years before they even began writing the New Testament books.

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are ALL faiths based on Semitic tradition. Christianity just happens to have a greater mix of Pagan Indo-European influence.[/quote]

Really, You want to place a bet on what time the scrolls where written?

Jesus took the punishment for are sins. The fact that you avoid that says a lot about your knowledge on the subject. Christianity at its base is a peaceful religion. Some people had there own agenda and used the bible to get things done, that is wrong. But what I have given you people is a direct quote from there book and allow me to paraphrase it says beat a womens ass.

Please provide the quote saying women should not teach men?(Not saying it is not there but would like a complete quote at least I provided the actual passage).

Please lixy show yourself, explain this too me. Im not calling out Islam like some of these people think im doing, Im asking how do moderate muslims view this passage.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. incase you can’t read. Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.

From Leviticus 20 (English Standard Version)

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Mind explaining to me how a religion can prescribe DEATH for things like cheating or being gay?

Or that, if you have sex with a woman and her mother, that the three of you should be BURNED ALIVE?

I can explain this. When throwing up the old testament you better understand the bible or you will be taken to school. With that in mind please allow me to show you.

Before Jesus sacrificed himself the for the sins of the world God was vengeful.(you would be too if you considered every sin a blatant attack with no apology). They had to sacrifice an animal for forgiveness for every sin.

God classified certain sins with certain punishments back then. Since the christian religion is based more on the new testament where we have already received the ultimate sacrifice all we have to do is ask and we are forgiven, God is not as vengeful so those old styles are out the window.

If any religion would follow those rules it would be judaism.

So those quotes would be out of context today, since the whole “Jesus dying for our sins” thing happened.

Have you researched the Quran at all to see if what you quoted is still considered to be in context and practice?[/quote]

That was what I was wanting to know before all this Christianity is bad things came up and had to swat those all away.

Im asking lixy what he says about this since he considers himself a moderate muslim, He could come in here and tell me some event happend that erased that passage or he could come in here and say that still in affect, Thats why am asking the question.

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. incase you can’t read. Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.

From Leviticus 20 (English Standard Version)

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Mind explaining to me how a religion can prescribe DEATH for things like cheating or being gay?

Or that, if you have sex with a woman and her mother, that the three of you should be BURNED ALIVE?

I can explain this. When throwing up the old testament you better understand the bible or you will be taken to school. With that in mind please allow me to show you.

Before Jesus sacrificed himself the for the sins of the world God was vengeful.(you would be too if you considered every sin a blatant attack with no apology). They had to sacrifice an animal for forgiveness for every sin.

God classified certain sins with certain punishments back then. Since the christian religion is based more on the new testament where we have already received the ultimate sacrifice all we have to do is ask and we are forgiven, God is not as vengeful so those old styles are out the window.

If any religion would follow those rules it would be judaism.

So those quotes would be out of context today, since the whole “Jesus dying for our sins” thing happened.

Have you researched the Quran at all to see if what you quoted is still considered to be in context and practice?[/quote]

“researched the Quran”

What about “researching” societies around the world, where women are looked upon as inferior. Where rape victims get stoned…

I think that pretty much sums up if it is “in context and practice” still…

[quote]John S. wrote:
What are your views on this?[/quote]

First, I’ll remind you that the thread titles are supposed to be a concise description of the topic (that is, something like “Wife beating in Islam” would have been much better). While it certainly serves my ego to have threads with my name on them, it doesn’t necessarily serve the community. If you have something to ask me, use private messages.

That out of the way, let’s get started.

Bit of trivia: At the time of the prophet Mohammed (pbuh), Arabs used to bury their baby girls alive. Having a daughter was considered a curse. The advent of Islam put a term to this barbarious practice.

The translation of the verse you quoted doesn’t do it justice. The verse’s original wording is much more ambiguous and symbolic than its English rendering shows. First, what you translated as “superior” is really “quawammun”. In my view, it’s a reference to the physiological differences in bodily strength and emotions. Let’s face it, women’s T-level will never equate those of a man. Anyone who had to deal with a woman whose aunt Irma was visiting will understand the emotional bit. It gets even worse during menopause. That’s what I believe was meant by the “quawammun”.

Now for the corporal punishment bit, most respected scholars (e.g: Tabari) insist on the punishment being symbolic. Indeed, the first video just relays part of the famous “khutbat al-wada’a” speech given by the prophet. The second guy is clearly a hard-liner and his speech will never be tolerated in a Moroccan mosque for example. He’ll get sacked the same day. That said, notice how his speech was edited as to leave only the most inflammatory remarks. For the MEMRI, that’s common practice.

If you want an in-depth interpretation of the semantics of that controversial verse, I’d recommend the following papers.

http://www.flwi.ugent.be/cie/bogaert/bogaert4.htm
http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/dv-4-34-shafaat.html

You seem quite young and that usually means a pretty short attention span, but ask yourself why would a woman ever convert to Islam if the religion gave her second-class status or condoned physical abuse against her? You may not realize it, but a lot of women embrace Islam on a daily basis.

Hope this helps.

[quote]John S. wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. incase you can’t read. Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.

From Leviticus 20 (English Standard Version)

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Mind explaining to me how a religion can prescribe DEATH for things like cheating or being gay?

Or that, if you have sex with a woman and her mother, that the three of you should be BURNED ALIVE?

I can explain this. When throwing up the old testament you better understand the bible or you will be taken to school. With that in mind please allow me to show you.

Before Jesus sacrificed himself the for the sins of the world God was vengeful.(you would be too if you considered every sin a blatant attack with no apology). They had to sacrifice an animal for forgiveness for every sin.

God classified certain sins with certain punishments back then. Since the christian religion is based more on the new testament where we have already received the ultimate sacrifice all we have to do is ask and we are forgiven, God is not as vengeful so those old styles are out the window.

If any religion would follow those rules it would be judaism.

So those quotes would be out of context today, since the whole “Jesus dying for our sins” thing happened.

Have you researched the Quran at all to see if what you quoted is still considered to be in context and practice?

That was what I was wanting to know before all this Christianity is bad things came up and had to swat those all away.

Im asking lixy what he says about this since he considers himself a moderate muslim, He could come in here and tell me some event happend that erased that passage or he could come in here and say that still in affect, Thats why am asking the question.[/quote]

If my original post translates to “Christianity is bad”, then you’d agree that your original post equally translates to “Islam is bad”… correct?

[quote]John S. wrote:
Please provide the quote saying women should not teach men?(Not saying it is not there but would like a complete quote at least I provided the actual passage).[/quote]

1 Timothy 2:11-12

You can also read up on these:

1 Timothy 2:14-15

Titus 2:4-5

Ephesians 5:22-24, 5:33

Colossians 3:18

1 Peter 3:1-7

1 Corinthians 11:3-9, 14:34-35

[quote]John S. wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
John S. wrote:
How about the direct quote from there holy book? I showed these vids to show two different views of the passage, I was asking how he explains this. incase you can’t read. Ill break it down for your punk ass. IT TELLS THEM ITS OK TO BEAT THERE WIVES.

From Leviticus 20 (English Standard Version)

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Mind explaining to me how a religion can prescribe DEATH for things like cheating or being gay?

Or that, if you have sex with a woman and her mother, that the three of you should be BURNED ALIVE?

I can explain this. When throwing up the old testament you better understand the bible or you will be taken to school. With that in mind please allow me to show you.

Before Jesus sacrificed himself the for the sins of the world God was vengeful.(you would be too if you considered every sin a blatant attack with no apology). They had to sacrifice an animal for forgiveness for every sin.

God classified certain sins with certain punishments back then. Since the christian religion is based more on the new testament where we have already received the ultimate sacrifice all we have to do is ask and we are forgiven, God is not as vengeful so those old styles are out the window.

If any religion would follow those rules it would be judaism.
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And it all makes so much sense doesn`t it?

God has to come to earth in the form of his own son to be killed in order to be able to change the rules he made himself…

And then Jesus reminded us that every jot and tittle of the Old Testament still stands.

What really is a comforting thought though is that the bloodthirsty genocidal
maniac that is the God of the Old Testament changed his mind completely…

He is all about peace and love now, he must have matured because of fatherhood.