My goals are very simple and compliment each other:
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When I hit #1 or #2, I just restate the same goals.
At any given time, I may be focusing more on 1 or 2.
I know people like to throw around numbers and ‘facts’, but I have to agree that somewhere, deep down inside, they’re planting the seed of limiting or setting themselves up for an excuse to fall back on …
“No natty could EVER look like that, anyway, so why bother? …”
There are goals, then there is DRIVE. Sprinters don’t go around citing the fact that no human has ever run 30 mph. They just keep trying to run FASTER.
I don’t care about equations, ‘documented limits’, etc, I just keep working harder to get BIGGER and STRONGER (that’s 2 out of 3 of the forum name words and 2 out of 3 ain’t bad)
I often agree with PX on things, but I’ve ignored the ‘suggestion’ that progress is hindered by age and blah blah blah and others say ‘you shouldnt “bulk” when you’re older’ and blah blah – thanks, but STFU and let me do my thing.
The rest of you can read on your phones about limits while your between your bosu ball plank sets
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Realizing you need to be realistic and set concrete goals taking a truly objective view of where I was, what I wanted, and where it was possible for me to be lead to me looking like this:[/quote]
Do you have a log somewhere on here detailing how you did this?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Realizing you need to be realistic and set concrete goals taking a truly objective view of where I was, what I wanted, and where it was possible for me to be lead to me looking like this:[/quote]
Do you have a log somewhere on here detailing how you did this? [/quote]
I’ve had several logs here covering parts of the process. It was long and constantly evolving though.
Is there anyone in the world who has been hitting the gym hard and heavy for 15 straight years while having a dialed in diet but continues to build muscle mass afterwards without chemical assistance?
Do some here not believe in such thing as reaching ones genetic potential?
[quote]steven alex wrote:
Absolutely everyone sets limits everyone! Otherwise there would be people running around claiming they could jump a mile and run up walls when they reach their true potential. This is just people putting a cap on things a little further down than others and TBH I dont think anyone takes these boards as seriously as you all think and no amount of talking about limits will stop people training hard[/quote]
I dunno about you bro, but I do. Like every time I go running, and fatigue starts setting in, say at the 30 minute mark instead of the intended 40 minute length of the run, I gasp to myself, “Must stop soon. Getting tired. Legs hurting. Feel… very… tired. Must limit oneself.” and then I just stop. Or like when I’m lifting, as soon as I get somewhat fatigued and feel a burn coming, I just drop the weight. Or like the other day when I was doing sprints, every time I felt exhaustion setting in, I just stopped. Same in the kitchen too. Like when I’m frying up a steak and steaming rice, sometimes I imagine how the McD’s down the block must taste so much better. At that point, I just give in, turn off the stove, and walk down the block.
What can I say? I’m a hater, an underachiever.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
Absolutely everyone sets limits everyone! Otherwise there would be people running around claiming they could jump a mile and run up walls when they reach their true potential. This is just people putting a cap on things a little further down than others and TBH I dont think anyone takes these boards as seriously as you all think and no amount of talking about limits will stop people training hard[/quote]
I dunno about you bro, but I do. Like every time I go running, and fatigue starts setting in, say at the 30 minute mark instead of the intended 40 minute length of the run, I gasp to myself, “Must stop soon. Getting tired. Legs hurting. Feel… very… tired. Must limit oneself.” and then I just stop. Or like when I’m lifting, as soon as I get somewhat fatigued and feel a burn coming, I just drop the weight. Or like the other day when I was doing sprints, every time I felt exhaustion setting in, I just stopped. Same in the kitchen too. Like when I’m frying up a steak and steaming rice, sometimes I imagine how the McD’s down the block must taste so much better. At that point, I just give in, turn off the stove, and walk down the block.
What can I say? I’m a hater, an underachiever. [/quote]
LOL
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Do some here not believe in such thing as reaching ones genetic potential?[/quote]
yep me. there is always room for improvement (through various factors nutrition, training, recovery etc.). I do believe that gains get smaller and slower as your progress more and more.
However i have not been hitting the gym hard and heavy for 15 straight years yet.
I am asking for where this “15 year” time limit came from.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
My goals are very simple and compliment each other:
-
-
When I hit #1 or #2, I just restate the same goals.
At any given time, I may be focusing more on 1 or 2.
I know people like to throw around numbers and ‘facts’, but I have to agree that somewhere, deep down inside, they’re planting the seed of limiting or setting themselves up for an excuse to fall back on …
“No natty could EVER look like that, anyway, so why bother? …”
There are goals, then there is DRIVE. Sprinters don’t go around citing the fact that no human has ever run 30 mph. They just keep trying to run FASTER.
I don’t care about equations, ‘documented limits’, etc, I just keep working harder to get BIGGER and STRONGER (that’s 2 out of 3 of the forum name words and 2 out of 3 ain’t bad)
I often agree with PX on things, but I’ve ignored the ‘suggestion’ that progress is hindered by age and blah blah blah and others say ‘you shouldnt “bulk” when you’re older’ and blah blah – thanks, but STFU and let me do my thing.
The rest of you can read on your phones about limits while your between your bosu ball plank sets
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Best post.
i don’t see the people who do think that way as being that impressive.
So, so far, no human can gain muscle after about 15 years and no human can gain more than exactly 80lbs of lean body mass naturally.
Where are these rules coming from and why is everyone simply accepting this is truth?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Best post.
i don’t see the people who do think that way as being that impressive.[/quote]
Fest Host
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am asking for where this “15 year” time limit came from.[/quote]
Who said it’s a limit? I said after that time, gains have dried up. Could be 7 years, 8 years, 10 years, or 12 years. No one knows for certain when one will stop gaining, but after 15 years of CORRECT training and eating, gains will be dried up.
YOU are the one who spoke a “15 year limit”. I said gains have likely dried up by 15 years or sooner.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am asking for where this “15 year” time limit came from.[/quote]
Who said it’s a limit? I said after that time, gains have dried up.[/quote]
LOLOLOL!!!
Thus it is a limit. LOL
[quote]
Could be 7 years, 8 years, 10 years, or 12 years. No one knows for certain when one will stop gaining, but after 15 years of CORRECT training and eating, gains will be dried up.
YOU are the one who spoke a “15 year limit”. I said gains have likely dried up by 15 years or sooner. [/quote]
What?
Is anyone taking this seriously?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
So, so far, no human can gain muscle after about 15 years and no human can gain more than exactly 80lbs of lean body mass naturally.
Where are these rules coming from and why is everyone simply accepting this is truth?[/quote]
I don’t know. You’re the one coming up with these exact limits when most people are using estimations and predictions and judgment.
I actually think gains will be dried up sooner for those who do everything correctly from the beginning.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
So, so far, no human can gain muscle after about 15 years and no human can gain more than exactly 80lbs of lean body mass naturally.
Where are these rules coming from and why is everyone simply accepting this is truth?[/quote]
Whether I agree with those two points or not I give them absolutely no regard when I am pushing out the hardest reps
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am asking for where this “15 year” time limit came from.[/quote]
Who said it’s a limit? I said after that time, gains have dried up.[/quote]
LOLOLOL!!!
Thus it is a limit. LOL
[quote]
Could be 7 years, 8 years, 10 years, or 12 years. No one knows for certain when one will stop gaining, but after 15 years of CORRECT training and eating, gains will be dried up.
YOU are the one who spoke a “15 year limit”. I said gains have likely dried up by 15 years or sooner. [/quote]
What?
Is anyone taking this seriously?[/quote]
Yeah. Why don’t you ask a WNBF pro about this. Let me know the response.
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Do some here not believe in such thing as reaching ones genetic potential?[/quote]
yep me. there is always room for improvement (through various factors nutrition, training, recovery etc.). I do believe that gains get smaller and slower as your progress more and more.
However i have not been hitting the gym hard and heavy for 15 straight years yet.[/quote]
A limit doesn’t mean you can’t get better. In math limits are used to describe cases of diminishing returns, which is exactly what physique development is.
But again, you still need goals to define what “progress” means. Not defining what progress is or isn’t to you individually is a good way to end up headed away from your ideal.
Is it progress to add 10 pounds of fat to get 1 pound of muscle? Is it progress to loose 1 pound of muscle while loosing 10 pounds of fat? Is it progress to add 20 pounds to your bench by adding 15 pounds to your body weight and going up a weight class?
Simply ambiguously stating “progress” is like generically heading east on a road trip when the goal is a specific destination that happens to be East. You’ll make more progress planning a route and following roads than you will just following the E on a compass.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am asking for where this “15 year” time limit came from.[/quote]
Who said it’s a limit? I said after that time, gains have dried up.[/quote]
LOLOLOL!!!
Thus it is a limit. LOL
[quote]
Could be 7 years, 8 years, 10 years, or 12 years. No one knows for certain when one will stop gaining, but after 15 years of CORRECT training and eating, gains will be dried up.
YOU are the one who spoke a “15 year limit”. I said gains have likely dried up by 15 years or sooner. [/quote]
What?
Is anyone taking this seriously?[/quote]
Yeah. Why don’t you ask a WNBF pro about this. Let me know the response. [/quote]
Be interesting to know the average year on year muscle gains of a top Pro say Yates over his career
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Yeah. Why don’t you ask a WNBF pro about this. Let me know the response. [/quote]
I wouldn’t care if they said it either…just like I don’t care that Ronnie Coleman calls grits “grtzzz”. Pros get shit wrong sometimes.
I am asking YOU where these limits came from.