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Lil Wayne

Some of this guys new mix tape drops are absolute fire. Deffinately my favorite rapper.

Just a sample of some of the fire:

Am I becoming an old man dreaming of yester-year? Am i like those old guys who say you young guns have no clue about real music? Was the golden era of hip hop in the early to mid nineties really that good? Or, was it just my age and inexperience in the world that made it mean all the more to me as this probably does to high school kids now?

Surely not?

I hate this guy more than anyone in hip hop. He’s not hip hop. He’s not even rap. His tone sucks. His lyrics are weak at best. He’s been caught numerous times using ghostwriters. The beat’s can’t even be called music, there’s no melody in this shit anymore. He and most mc’s now don’t even know what flow is? When it comes to flow, does anyone remember Freestyle Fellowship’s - Inner City Griots? (see i’m doing it now!)

And what the fuck is auto tuning doing in hip hop? Seriously? Auto tune! Can no one else hear it in these ghey ass songs and kanye’s weak attempt at singing? Could you imagine what would of happened to Krs One or Big Daddy Kane if he released an album that had auto tuned lyrics?

I really just don’t get it. I guess this is the dissapointment parents feel when their kids grow up and become yoga teachers. I hear this sludge and just want to cry…

Sample of some of the fire? For fucks sake!

I completely agree with stockzy.

Lil’ Wayne is a horrible rapper.

Hip-Hop has died to the youth these days, they just want that “Hot Sh*t”, and more concerned about how the video looks and what the rapper is wearing, with no care about the content and the lyrics.

The only people keeping it real these days are:

Verbal Threat:

Little Brother:

eMC:

In fact, check out anyone in the Justus League, people like Edgar Allen Floe.

I’m 18 and I’m sick of everyone I know loving people like Lil’ Wayne who can’t rap, can’t rhyme, and have nothing to say. Whenever you show them anything by Gang Starr or something produced by Preem, Pete Rock or Dilla they just don’t get it.

Completely agree with the 2nd two posts. I hate Lil Wayne with a passion. Just sounds like some dude talkin into a syntheziser…sounds like robocop trying to rap…

I just listened to a couple of the links since I’d never heard this Pin’ Siz’ Wayne. Complete waste of time. I agree with the previous comments, nothing was said, and this nothing was not said creatively.

The hate in this thread is sickening. Dorrance, all those artist you listed, while lyrically skilled, are boring as hell. Further more, you’re young, how much Wayne have you heard? Carter III? Dude’s been making music for the better part of ten years now.

I’ve lost count how many times this has happened - Someone makes a post about a current rapper they like, then someone says they suck, then says they should listen to REAL rap like Sage Francis or some shit.

If you think Weezy can’t rap, you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. Sure, he screws around on a lot of songs and lately he’s been doing way too many drugs, but when he’s on he’s one of the best in the game.

Does much need to be said? It’s catchy, it’s got flavor. Lil Wayne takes so much heat, but anyone that wants their record to sell damn sure has Lil Wayne on one of the tracks. I don’t need a life story to enjoy music and I don’t need a meaningful rap song when I listen to one.

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Does much need to be said? It’s catchy, it’s got flavor. Lil Wayne takes so much heat, but anyone that wants their record to sell damn sure has Lil Wayne on one of the tracks. I don’t need a life story to enjoy music and I don’t need a meaningful rap song when I listen to one.[/quote]

the point of rap is story telling

its supposed to be meaningful, its the word of the street- lil wayne is not street at all

if he came to where i grew he’d get a real “hood baptism”

back in the Cash Money days tho, Weezy was a nasty spitter, but he sold out like all the good ones do, turned pop and all this lolipop bullshit appears

he’s fucking garbage, his songs have no point to them, and most of the time he is mumbling in them

lmao @ someone from NO which is practically a third world country unto itself not being “street”. Where are you from, Baghdad?

I don’t feel that Lil Wayne is real hip hop either. Im not a fan of his work at all… His punch lines are weak, his delivery is weak and his flow is a imitation of Jay-z’s. You can’t deny that hes hot right now, but thats happened before. Im either out of the loop or you Lil Wayne fans are hearing something subliminally I can’t hear.

Can you really put him in the same category as Jay-Z, Biggie, Eminem, Nas, and Lupe (for example)? Flow wise, lyrical talent ect… He can’t hold his own against the above.

I’m not gonna hate on Wayne because he is pretty talented. I follow rap pretty closely and I will agree that I can’t take this fake voice shit. I have never liked T-Pain doing it and I didn’t mind it when Kanye did it at first, but it is getting ridiculous now. Go back to actually rapping about real shit. My favorite rapper by far is Tech N9ne. He’s the biggest underground rapper of all time and his speed, flow, and lines can’t be touched.

Plus, he actually has deep shit too. I can’t wait for Eminem and Dr. Dre to come out with their new stuff as well. Anyways, Wayne is doing making the music that is popular right now and he’s making a ton of money. I might be doing the same thing.

I’m not a huge fan of his stuff, but I’ve mainly been exposed to the mainstream tunes. I get tired of hearing the same effect on every song- is it a vocoder?

I understand he works hard and churns out the music. A friend of mine told me that a lot of his stuff is available for free and is superior to the commercial tunes he comes out with. I respect him for working so hard, but I still don’t think his music is my cup of tea.

[quote]esk221 wrote:
lmao @ someone from NO which is practically a third world country unto itself not being “street”. Where are you from, Baghdad?[/quote]

I agree the stupid shit people say when a rapper is not “hard” enough is damn near as entertaining as rap beef it’s self.

Personally I like good lyrics, good content and good story telling. I listen to pop as well as many underground lyricist. The majority of underground used to always be garbage, but now pop is pretty garbage too. However, I don’t think lil wayne is the worst rapper, just not the best. I’ve listened to him pretty much his whole career and can say he’s definitely better then most out there today, and has better punchlines. The only 3 problems he has is

  1. Most prolific since 2pac. I mean this in the strict definition as he has the most rhymes out there, He’ll drop 4 solo mixtapes over other peoples track in a month. You can’t possibly put out your best work when your dropping everything, not editing shit. He has plenty of good lyrics COMPLETELY drowned out by sheer garbage.

2)He’s pop, that immediately puts him out of the realm of all those “hardcore” fans that are out there really shooting people, while playing mobsters on myspace.

  1. He freestyles damn near everything. wtf? NOBODY does this. Back in the day when people said they freestyled, they really had collection of 50 or so rhymes they mixed and matched when called upon to drop a rhyme.

This tends to be the problem with rap as a whole nowadays. People used to take 2 or 3 years to drop an album. Now if somebody says “my name is big nate I lift weights” his whole crew talking about “yo put that on youtube son”

That being said I think 85% of his album will be garbage.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

  1. He freestyles damn near everything. wtf? NOBODY does this. Back in the day when people said they freestyled, they really had collection of 50 or so rhymes they mixed and matched when called upon to drop a rhyme.
    [/quote]

How did the notorious Christopher Wallace make his albums?

Do you think he wrote anything down?

Answer: No.

Seems like everyone is hating because hes popular. Every time a ‘good-hip-hop’ thread comes up, everyone wants to be the first to spit off some underground artist. They do this like they weren’t lip singing Lil’ Wayne on the way home from the gym yesterday.

Now, I’m not saying anything is wrong with any of the aforementioned artist. I basically only listen to hip hop, can quote most any lyrics, and understand whats good in each respective aspect.

Don’t just hate because he’s rich, especially if you haven’t taken the time to listen to every song. I don’t mean have it playing while doing homework, I’m talking actually paying attention, even having to rewind it when a rapper blows your mind.

[quote]timbofirstblood wrote:
I’m not a huge fan of his stuff, but I’ve mainly been exposed to the mainstream tunes. I get tired of hearing the same effect on every song- is it a vocoder?

I understand he works hard and churns out the music. A friend of mine told me that a lot of his stuff is available for free and is superior to the commercial tunes he comes out with. I respect him for working so hard, but I still don’t think his music is my cup of tea. [/quote]

One of the most reasonable post on this thread.

No one is making you like his music, there is plenty of genres I choose not to listen to. But, I don’t get my estrogen levels up when I hear those types of music either.

Again, don’t hate because he made it. Give him ‘props,’ don’t listen to him, and move on.

[quote]golferguy12 wrote:
I’m not gonna hate on Wayne because he is pretty talented. I follow rap pretty closely and I will agree that I can’t take this fake voice shit. I have never liked T-Pain doing it and I didn’t mind it when Kanye did it at first, but it is getting ridiculous now. Go back to actually rapping about real shit.[/quote]

Have you even heard T-pains albums? Yes, he uses the auto-tune quite a bit, but that’s what’s popular right now in music.

T-Pain has a great voice though, doesn’t need the auto-tune at all.

In his latest album, he also proved he could rap.

[quote]Dorrance wrote:
I completely agree with stockzy.

Lil’ Wayne is a horrible rapper.

Hip-Hop has died to the youth these days, they just want that “Hot Sh*t”, and more concerned about how the video looks and what the rapper is wearing, with no care about the content and the lyrics.

The only people keeping it real these days are:

Verbal Threat:

Little Brother:

eMC:

In fact, check out anyone in the Justus League, people like Edgar Allen Floe.

I’m 18 and I’m sick of everyone I know loving people like Lil’ Wayne who can’t rap, can’t rhyme, and have nothing to say. Whenever you show them anything by Gang Starr or something produced by Preem, Pete Rock or Dilla they just don’t get it.

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Lol, Ironic huh?

Little Brother ft. Lil Wayne- Breakin’ My Heart:

i think hes on way to much codine, and he sounds like he raps with a dick in his mouth half the time. why all the voice altering on the new shit?

[quote]Dorrance wrote:
I completely agree with stockzy.

Lil’ Wayne is a horrible rapper.

Hip-Hop has died to the youth these days, they just want that “Hot Sh*t”, and more concerned about how the video looks and what the rapper is wearing, with no care about the content and the lyrics.

The only people keeping it real these days are:

Verbal Threat:

Little Brother:

eMC:

In fact, check out anyone in the Justus League, people like Edgar Allen Floe.

I’m 18 and I’m sick of everyone I know loving people like Lil’ Wayne who can’t rap, can’t rhyme, and have nothing to say. Whenever you show them anything by Gang Starr or something produced by Preem, Pete Rock or Dilla they just don’t get it.

[/quote]

Yeah and Im not into that shit, a melodramatic story with a crap beat. I like music that can pound some serious base, pump me up, and has a sick ass beat with catchy lyrics. I don’t need the repeated story of who shot me or I shot you, or my moms was poor and now she livin’ the good life. It’s all so cliche. You don’t here other rappers taking the leaps like Wayne keeping people entertained and that’s why the rappers you just listed are no names compared to Wayne. Don not “hate” on people who like Lil Wayne because he obviously has something going for him, actually a lot going for him.

Comparing him to Jay-Z and Big is not practical. It’s too different styles or Rap/Hip-Hop and each has perfected their style. I also find it commendable that most of Weezies work is not written just spitten. Too be honest I like him better than any rapper ever. Young moula baby all day!

I respect Lil Wayne for getting where he is now…but his best days were wrapped up after the first Carter album. Its amazing the amount of people who didn’t have a clue who he was until The Carter. I’d take “Hot Boy” era Lil Wayne over the current.

On a side note: Turk(Hot Boys) had a better flow than Wayne…but smoking crack and shooting at cops doesn’t carry over into a successful solo career.

lil waynes best songs are far behind the carter III,

pretty much all the haters iv talked to have heard lollipop or i got money or some mainstream shit

his best songs are mostly unknown to people that arent fans of his and people that just listen to whats on the radio

[quote]believedat wrote:
lil waynes best songs are far behind the carter III,

pretty much all the haters iv talked to have heard lollipop or i got money or some mainstream shit

his best songs are mostly unknown to people that arent fans of his and people that just listen to whats on the radio [/quote]

I’ve downloaded the majority of his mixtapes and prefer them to his albums.

Sorry bro but I have nothing but hatred for Lil Wayne. I really can’t have any of that autotune caper!