[quote]Professor X wrote:
Matt McGorry wrote:
You seem to be arguing against your own point, X. You can worry about relative strength at any stage depending on your goals. Being big for the sake of being big is not compatible with some people’s goals.
How is that arguing against my own point? You have a lot of these guys who really aren’t that strong (since when is a 205lbs bench press in the “strong” category?) acting like they are pro competitors in powerlifting when the truth is, just like bodybuilding, genetics have much to do with how strong someone can get at a lesser weight.
It seems that many are afraid to say that. Just because you WANT to be “relatively strong” for your weight doesn’t mean you will get that way without gaining any appreciable amounts of muscle mass and overall body weight.
If someone were naturally stronger than average, I would be more inclined to believe they are “genetically inclined” to be “relatively strong” for their weight and can thusly win some competitions at a weight less than most with greater strength.
Many would do better simply increasing their size AND strength instead of hoping and wishing they just magically increase their strength dramatically without any gains in size.
Neural adaptation can only get you so far.
Realizing that not everyone is naturally strong is simply reality.
Absolute strength trumps “relative strength” unless you are competing in a powerlifting contest with a weight class. Why would someone at his stage even think they are cut out for competition? That is no different than the 150lbs guys in the pic forum claiming they are about to compete in bodybuilding contests when they have only been lifting for 4 months and don’t have any size on them yet.[/quote]
I think that the genetics will only take you so far no matter what weight class. I feel that a 181lb powerlifter will have an equally as tough time hitting elite as a 220lb one. The numbers that they have to achieve are simply greater in comparisn.
But, if you look at most lighter-weight powerlifters, they try to spend as long as possible in a given weight class before they move up to the next one.
An individual’s limit strength is greatly determined by genetics, I agree with you there- but that’s why PLers will spend time building strength in a given weight range until their ability comes close to “tapping out” before moving up in weight.
I don’t consider myslelf a genetically gifted lifter (not that its going to stop me from being the best I can be) but for me, moving up in weight from 210lb to 230lb in order to move my bench from 300 to 320 would be a shitty choice.
I’m only speaking about this because I simply felt that I put on mass too quickly without having much regard for true strength. Only difference is that I’m making up for it now by closely monitoring my BW through food intake and exercise volume so that I can get stronger without the increased BW. I suppose the other way about it would be to slowly build up.
Depends how important competeing really is to the individual.