It is really depressing that people like you are in this world. Bums me out big time.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
You seem to miss something.
The problem is not that you kick certain people out of social programs, it is that you make those of us join them that do not want them.
You only don’t want them, because you are employed. Wait till they outsource your position to Bangalore, and find yourself unemployed with no health coverage, and I think your tune will change.
It’s not just the uneducated ‘coloreds’ with bad life attitudes who get sucked into the misery and hopelessness of American poverty. You or any of us no matter what, can get pulled in, and once you’re there, your whole viewpoint will change. Believe me. It can happen, and it is very likely it will happen to you.
This is the fallacy of our capitalist society, people don’t see past their current employer and bank account, until they lose it and realize how temporary all that shit really was.[/quote]
My god. The stupid… it burns.
A) Orion is from Austria.
B) What if I’m, rich? What if I have a ton of money, and don’t want my money being taken away to pay for the healthcare of someone who isn’t me? THOSE are the people who want out.
C) You don’t get “sucked” into poverty. Well, MOST people don’t get sucked in. Most people put themselves there with bad choices. They drop out of high school, get pregnant, or start a nasty drug habit (or, later in life, have way to many freakin kids). Find me a truly poor individual living in America who didn’t do one of these things (and isn’t a recent immigrant), I guarantee it’ll be tough to find. I’m not saying I don’t have empathy for these people. I just don’t think it is the governments duty to put a gun to the head of the rich and demand they pay for these people’s livelihoods.
People who are smart tend to look past their bank account. That’s the fucking point. They think into the future and put money away anticipating tough times. That’s how people, in general, end up wealthy when they retire.
So no, the fact that many people don’t think ahead is not a “fallacy of capitalism.” In fact, I’d call it a fallacy used when arguing AGAINST capitalism.
If people don’t think ahead, fuck em’. They decided to live in the moment and they get to pay for it. Why is it my responsibility to keep people who don’t think ahead at their current standard of living?
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Wow.
Wow! I used a LOADED word, that someone told you was BAAAAAD.
Let me say it again, Nazism was pretty workable until they started bakin babies, and running Polish borders.
Franco’s Spain was good stuff, I give it 5 Stars, minus all the censorship and no nudity at the beach.
Yugoslavia in the 80s was a good model for a true nominally middle class society.
I ain’t afraid of words man, you guys can go cry ‘Jew-hater’ or something and crucify for saying these things, but if you actually look at what these societies achieved in a short period of time, they were quite successful.
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Yes, Dictatorships can be quite effective. Democracy is slow and inefficient. THAT IS THE POINT.
Governments with power can do great things (highways) and terrible things. Capitalists with great power can’t really do all that terrible things in a free society. When’s the last time you heard about a corporation committing genocide hmm? Or a corporation STEALING from citizens and going unpunished for it?
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Poverty is slavery.
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Explain your point. Now. How is poverty slavery? Who coerces the poor (other than the government?)?
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
You seem to miss something.
The problem is not that you kick certain people out of social programs, it is that you make those of us join them that do not want them.
You only don’t want them, because you are employed. Wait till they outsource your position to Bangalore, and find yourself unemployed with no health coverage, and I think your tune will change.
It’s not just the uneducated ‘coloreds’ with bad life attitudes who get sucked into the misery and hopelessness of American poverty. You or any of us no matter what, can get pulled in, and once you’re there, your whole viewpoint will change. Believe me. It can happen, and it is very likely it will happen to you.
This is the fallacy of our capitalist society, people don’t see past their current employer and bank account, until they lose it and realize how temporary all that shit really was.
My god. The stupid… it burns.
A) Orion is from Austria.
B) What if I’m, rich? What if I have a ton of money, and don’t want my money being taken away to pay for the healthcare of someone who isn’t me? THOSE are the people who want out.
C) You don’t get “sucked” into poverty. Well, MOST people don’t get sucked in. Most people put themselves there with bad choices. They drop out of high school, get pregnant, or start a nasty drug habit (or, later in life, have way to many freakin kids). Find me a truly poor individual living in America who didn’t do one of these things (and isn’t a recent immigrant), I guarantee it’ll be tough to find. I’m not saying I don’t have empathy for these people. I just don’t think it is the governments duty to put a gun to the head of the rich and demand they pay for these people’s livelihoods.
People who are smart tend to look past their bank account. That’s the fucking point. They think into the future and put money away anticipating tough times. That’s how people, in general, end up wealthy when they retire.
So no, the fact that many people don’t think ahead is not a “fallacy of capitalism.” In fact, I’d call it a fallacy used when arguing AGAINST capitalism.
If people don’t think ahead, fuck em’. They decided to live in the moment and they get to pay for it. Why is it my responsibility to keep people who don’t think ahead at their current standard of living?[/quote]
x2 on the saving. If I find myself out of a job, guess what, I’ve been saving a good proportion of my money for exactly this contingency. In fact, saving money works all sorts of wonders, from protecting you when you lose your job, to paying for unforeseen incidents, not paying credit card interest, etc. I don’t expect others to have to pay for me because I’m living at or above my means.