So, how much do I have weight to being able to opt out of you system?
Would it be enough if I had a serious pot addiction?
I take it for granted that I would also not have to pay into the system, since I get nothing out of it?
Wow! I used a LOADED word, that someone told you was BAAAAAD.
Let me say it again, Nazism was pretty workable until they started bakin babies, and running Polish borders.
Franco’s Spain was good stuff, I give it 5 Stars, minus all the censorship and no nudity at the beach.
Yugoslavia in the 80s was a good model for a true nominally middle class society.
I ain’t afraid of words man, you guys can go cry ‘Jew-hater’ or something and crucify for saying these things, but if you actually look at what these societies achieved in a short period of time, they were quite successful.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
However, I disagree. The wealthy take as much from the underclasses, as healthcare would take from them, it is difficult to argue that recieving socialized health care that I pay for is any more immoral than our existing system. I take care of myself, and if the government taxed us all for medical, then I’d pay. You wouldn’t take care of me. A doctor of me, and he’d be compensated like a police officer, fireman, or soldier, obviously, those are not shameful positions becuase they have to be taken care of ‘by others.’ Give me a break. When I get wealthy, I’d gladly for the poor’s treatment. The poor are not poor from stupidity, more often than not, it is circumstance. For somebody to be winning in capitalism, somebody else has to be losing.[/quote]
The economic knowledge fail is strong in this one.
Repeat after me:
Capitalism is not a zero sum game.
Capitalism is not a zero sum game.
Capitalism is not a zero sum game.
So, capitalists make other people richer, not poorer.
You’d have to pay.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Wow.
Wow! I used a LOADED word, that someone told you was BAAAAAD.
Let me say it again, Nazism was pretty workable until they started bakin babies, and running Polish borders.
Franco’s Spain was good stuff, I give it 5 Stars, minus all the censorship and no nudity at the beach.
Yugoslavia in the 80s was a good model for a true nominally middle class society.
I ain’t afraid of word’s man, you guy’s can go cry ‘Jew-hater’ or something and crucify for saying these things, but if you actually look at what these societies achieved in a short period of time, they were quite successful.
[/quote]
Freedom is slavery
2+2=5
[quote]John S. wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Wow.
Wow! I used a LOADED word, that someone told you was BAAAAAD.
Let me say it again, Nazism was pretty workable until they started bakin babies, and running Polish borders.
Franco’s Spain was good stuff, I give it 5 Stars, minus all the censorship and no nudity at the beach.
Yugoslavia in the 80s was a good model for a true nominally middle class society.
I ain’t afraid of word’s man, you guy’s can go cry ‘Jew-hater’ or something and crucify for saying these things, but if you actually look at what these societies achieved in a short period of time, they were quite successful.
Freedom is slavery
2+2=5[/quote]
Poverty is slavery.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
I take it for granted that I would also not have to pay into the system, since I get nothing out of it?
You’d have to pay.[/quote]
Why?
If I chose to live outside of your system am I not only hurting myself?
[quote]
Obesity, if you cannot lose the weight with government support after so many times, you are left to your fatness. Once you have lost the weight let’s say, you may be allowed to reapply into the healthcare system.[/quote]
The Government dropped the ball on that one. The USDA food pyramid is a failure. Obesity exploded massively after its implementation. This after decades, even centuries of research that low carb cures fatness as we have in our diet regimens on this site. Government, the ultimate monopoly, a massive monolithic inefficient institution with no competition, destroyed the lives of millions of people; damaged the health of its citizens. Such individuals responsible must be punished; I submit even the death penalty be brought under consideration. Where is the accountability?
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
John S. wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Wow.
Wow! I used a LOADED word, that someone told you was BAAAAAD.
Let me say it again, Nazism was pretty workable until they started bakin babies, and running Polish borders.
Franco’s Spain was good stuff, I give it 5 Stars, minus all the censorship and no nudity at the beach.
Yugoslavia in the 80s was a good model for a true nominally middle class society.
I ain’t afraid of word’s man, you guy’s can go cry ‘Jew-hater’ or something and crucify for saying these things, but if you actually look at what these societies achieved in a short period of time, they were quite successful.
Freedom is slavery
2+2=5
Poverty is slavery.
[/quote]
What is poverty? I would love to hear you explain this.
[quote]Why?
If I chose to live outside of your system am I not only hurting myself? [/quote]
I’d like to stop paying for the US Army’s War In Iraq…Can I do that? If I renounce the protection they give me?
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Poverty is slavery.
[/quote]
What I find interesting that you are able to bring in any known socialist fallacy in a mere 2-3 pages.
That is quite impressive.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Why?
If I chose to live outside of your system am I not only hurting myself?
I’d like to stop paying for the US Army’s War In Iraq…Can I do that? If I renounce the protection they give me?[/quote]
You should be, yes.
Two wrongs do not make a right though.
A “right”.
Clever, eh?
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Why?
If I chose to live outside of your system am I not only hurting myself?
I’d like to stop paying for the US Army’s War In Iraq…Can I do that? If I renounce the protection they give me?[/quote]
How about if we all just payed a sales tax and the government could use whatever money they got out of that and only that to run there army and all there other projects.
Being a desperate poor, without enough money to buy clothes or food, forget about education or medical care. In a system that only favors the upper classes, who are already established, is slavery.
In fact, it’s worse than slavery, I think the position is called being a ‘Batrak.’ A landless and masterless serf.
If society is cold to the well being of the people, to the point where it so callous that it will not provide them with basic human healthcare. Then I suppose solution, would be to start own society, or live outside of the one exist in.
Criminality.
Or perhaps the other solution would be to live at the very bottom of the one you are one in.
Like a pathetic crackwhore sucking dicks vegas, or some, mustached shemale failure starving in the streets of Bangkok trying to beg wierdos to let you give them a blowjob so you can buy a sandwich.
That too is a slavery.
Then if you got locked away for years of life to gain no income and only go further into debt, then that is true slavery. A useless, societally cannibalistic slavery.
These things could be avoided, if such societies would give their people the means to better themselves.
Which are education, and healthcare. The Doctors are the ones who treat the people, and they seem to not have a problem with doing it…so who does?
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
What is poverty? I would love to hear you explain this.
Being a desperate poor, without enough money to buy clothes or food, forget about education or medical care. In a system that only favors the upper classes, who are already established, is slavery.
In fact, it’s worse than slavery, I think the position is called being a ‘Batrak.’ A landless and masterless serf.
If society is cold to the well being of the people, to the point where it so callous that it will not provide them with basic human healthcare. Then I suppose solution, would be to start own society, or live outside of the one exist in.
Criminality.
Or perhaps the other solution would be to live at the very bottom of the one you are one in.
Like a pathetic crackwhore sucking dicks vegas, or some, mustached shemale failure starving in the streets of Bangkok trying to beg wierdos to let you give them a blowjob so you can buy a sandwich.
That too is a slavery.
Then if you got locked away for years of life to gain no income and only go further into debt, then that is true slavery. A useless, societally cannibalistic slavery.
These things could be avoided, if such societies would give their people the means to better themselves.[/quote]
Interesting, lets talk about how society never gave them the means to better themselves?
I want to talk about the persons actions. What did they do to become poor, while so many others could make it they could not? We had a job surplus before why cant we have one again? Your going to tell me there is not 300+ million jobs needed to do business with the entire world? Just a few questions to answer.
[quote]Interesting, lets talk about how society never gave them the means to better themselves?
I want to talk about the persons actions. What did they do to become poor, while so many others could make it they could not? We had a job surplus before why cant we have one again? Your going to tell me there is not 300+ million jobs needed to do business with the entire world? Just a few questions to answer. [/quote]
Poor people in the USA, are mostly driven to poverty by bad decisions. or bad decisions of their parents Unfortunately, many of these bad decisions, become irreversible.
However, the dire poverty in the USA is not here yet, like is in let’s say Mexico. All tho we do have some very serious poverty here.
It is a person’s primary responsibility, to take their fist, and make their own life. I believe this, this is what I do with my own life. At the same time, education, and healthcare must be provided for all citizens.
Whether they take advantage of the healthcare or not, will always be up to them.
If we have money to go to the Moon, conquer two countries, dump billions in quixotic military programs then this society can make room in our budget to take care of our own people. Guarantee something that all should have as human beings.
You guy’s act like I am misled for thinking this way. I know this to be right.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
You guy’s act like I am misled for thinking this way. I know this to be right.[/quote]
Well I know this to be wrong.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
You guy’s act like I am misled for thinking this way. I know this to be right.[/quote]
Oh, in that case I declare this argument over.
/thread
I learned today that the united states in bringing civilization to all it’s borders actually freed all the natives. Because natives had no money, or education, or even written language, they were slaves. They should thank the white man for saving them from there slavery.
If you are not completely disabled and are not mentally retarded, poverty in this country is self inflicted.
And the govt owes you nothing but national security and the option to pursue your dreams(within the law)