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Liberal Editorial Is Not News Journalism

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Liberal slanted headline against a Republican school board member tries to influence how you perceive something based on their editorializing.

http://news.yahoo.com/watch-republican-school-board-member-bizarro-rant-ages-222200149.html

I surmise that you would be hard pressed to find in the media, a headline portraying a liberal African American with such negativity especially during Black History Month.

The woman obviously is speaking from the heart about something that she or her daughter had been threatened with.

She appears to talk in code so as not to make obvious what that something is, perhaps also to keep from being sued. Wednesday she stated one of the things was that “they” demanded she praise Islam.

Liberals do not tolerate Christianity or conservatives well so they describe in the headline a “bizarro rant for the ages.”

They will do anything to undermine conservative blacks and tea party conservative blacks are treated as non persons and sellouts because they dare believe that there needs to be diverse ideology among all African Americans.

Hey liberals…how else can you fulfill and achieve your very own life’s dream if there is only one highway and it only goes one way? silly cookie cutter socialist liberals.

She is not hysterical or ranting. Everyone has their own niche. She is just not good at public speaking.

Liberal editorial is not news journalism:

http://news.yahoo.com/watch-republican-school-board-member-bizarro-rant-ages-222200149.html

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#3

…so what are you saying that this generation above all past generations is so hip, so now, so smart that this generation gets to decide that the evolution theory is fact and all school children should be indoctrinated to believe same?

if a teacher is only showing you one way to look at things, they’re not educating you, they’re indoctrinating you.

#4

I’m saying that I agree that dinosaurs were on Noah’s ark.

#5

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m saying that I agree that dinosaurs were on Noah’s ark. [/quote]

Awesome! I want a T-Rex

/short arm team

#6

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
…so what are you saying that this generation above all past generations is so hip, so now, so smart that this generation gets to decide that the evolution theory is fact and all school children should be indoctrinated to believe same?

if a teacher is only showing you one way to look at things, they’re not educating you, they’re indoctrinating you.

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If a teacher treats each theory, in a science class, as if they have comparable scientific evidence to support said theories, then it may as well be indoctrination. There is no place for creationism in a science class. It has its place, but not in a science class.

There seems to be this thought that science somehow invalidates religious doctrine and that religious doctrine is superior to scientific evidence. There is zero evidence to support the theory of creationism. That doesn’t mean that science invalidates religious beliefs.

I like to think of science as something that helps us understand how the higher power(s) that people believe in work. To me, science simply further validates that there is something out there that is far bigger and more powerful than us, and it is that entity or essence that is responsible for everything in the universe.

When religious conservatives learn to get past the whole creationism thing and accept the far more valid theory of evolution, and when certain atheist scientists stop pointing to scientific discovery as a means of disproving the existence of God, we can move past the infantile bickering that occurs when religious fanatics and scientists/atheists get together.

#7

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
…so what are you saying that this generation above all past generations is so hip, so now, so smart that this generation gets to decide that the evolution theory is fact and all school children should be indoctrinated to believe same?

if a teacher is only showing you one way to look at things, they’re not educating you, they’re indoctrinating you.

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Related to pic:

We learned about radio-carbon dating when I was taught about fossils.

That pic is like the Da Vinci Code- Just real enough to be believable to people who want to believe it.

#8

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
…so what are you saying that this generation above all past generations is so hip, so now, so smart that this generation gets to decide that the evolution theory is fact and all school children should be indoctrinated to believe same?

if a teacher is only showing you one way to look at things, they’re not educating you, they’re indoctrinating you.

[/quote]

If a teacher treats each theory, in a science class, as if they have comparable scientific evidence to support said theories, then it may as well be indoctrination. There is no place for creationism in a science class. It has its place, but not in a science class.

There seems to be this thought that science somehow invalidates religious doctrine and that religious doctrine is superior to scientific evidence. There is zero evidence to support the theory of creationism. That doesn’t mean that science invalidates religious beliefs.

I like to think of science as something that helps us understand how the higher power(s) that people believe in work. To me, science simply further validates that there is something out there that is far bigger and more powerful than us, and it is that entity or essence that is responsible for everything in the universe.

When religious conservatives learn to get past the whole creationism thing and accept the far more valid theory of evolution, and when certain atheist scientists stop pointing to scientific discovery as a means of disproving the existence of God, we can move past the infantile bickering that occurs when religious fanatics and scientists/atheists get together.[/quote]

Indoctrination when someone opposing to your viewpoint does it, but perfectly ok as long as someone agrees with it.

The double standard is hilarious. Creationism has no place in a science classroom, end of story. It can take place in religious studies, in other places, but why teach something that isn’t based on science in science class? It makes no sense. Religious people are apparently highly afraid that kids will not continue to be indoctrinated if they are exposed to something other than faith for proving everything.

This is when you get people like the Texas school board attempting to ban critical thinking. They are terrified that kids may lose belief if someone offers anything counter to what they have been indoctrinated to accept.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m saying that I agree that dinosaurs were on Noah’s ark. [/quote]

[quote]H factor wrote:

Indoctrination when someone opposing to your viewpoint does it, but perfectly ok as long as someone agrees with it.

The double standard is hilarious. Creationism has no place in a science classroom, end of story. It makes no sense. Religious people are apparently highly afraid that kids will not continue to be indoctrinated if they are exposed to something other than faith for proving everything.

This is when you get people like the Texas school board attempting to ban critical thinking. They are terrified that kids may lose belief if someone offers anything counter to what they have been indoctrinated to accept.

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…for those who do not believe in God’s creation vs evolution or animals surviving with Noah on an ark.

it takes less faith to believe that then to believe NOTHING caused a BIG BANG that began a wondrous universe and from there a GOO (give it millions of years) somehow developed self consciousness and became capable of lets say an EINSTEIN or a simple George Washington.

hey everybody i graduated magne cum laude and also watched Siegfried and Roy magic illusion shows on TV as a kid.

i received my phd in biology. here’s what I know as “FACT” a big bang started the whole world (crying) the joke is on me (and you)

P.S.

Genesis 6:15 , Noah’s Ark measured 300 x 50 x 30 cubits, which is about 510 x 85 x 51 feet, with a volume of about 2.21 million cubic feet.

Researchers have shown that this is the equivalent volume of over 500 semitrailers of space.

Without getting into all the math, the 16,000-plus animals would have occupied much less than half the space in the Ark (even allowing them some moving-around space) Not all animals including dinosaurs had to be fully grown.

#10

So I agree that dinosaurs were on the Ark and you have a problem with that? Maybe you don’t believe it.

#11

Why does it have to be “believe in evolution or believe in Christ”? Why can’t one believe both in a Creator and i evolution? And can’t you be liberal and be a Christian? Aren’t many so-called “liberal” beliefs also Christian beliefs?

I suppose that just doesn’t make for interesting discussion on the internet.

james

#12

[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Why does it have to be “believe in evolution or believe in Christ”? Why can’t one believe both in a Creator and i evolution? [/quote]
Catholics do.

#13

[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Why does it have to be “believe in evolution or believe in Christ”? Why can’t one believe both in a Creator and i evolution? And can’t you be liberal and be a Christian? Aren’t many so-called “liberal” beliefs also Christian beliefs?

I suppose that just doesn’t make for interesting discussion on the internet.

james[/quote]

That notion that not everything is all one way and shades of gray exist doesn’t fit in with the paranoid mindset of whatever drivel I can’t see from c-dog. A guy who I had to put on ignore because he invented an idea that I’m part of a conspiracy to control the dialogue on this website in a liberal way. And that a guy who has been white 30 years all of his life is actually black and has ties at T-Nation. And a guy who was born into a middle class family and lives a middle class life lives in a trailer park and is marrying his sister.

Honestly the paranoia and immaturity is not worth your time, it’s not worth anyone’s time. It’s coming from a very sad old man who is angry about everything who I used to feel like screwing with because I thought maybe one could reason with him. You can’t, you won’t, and the opinion has already been decided for him by someone else.

#14

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So I agree that dinosaurs were on the Ark and you have a problem with that? Maybe you don’t believe it. [/quote]

my apolgies zecarlo. i edited you out of the fray.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
When religious conservatives learn to get past the whole creationism thing and accept the far more valid theory of evolution, and when certain atheist scientists stop pointing to scientific discovery as a means of disproving the existence of God, we can move past the infantile bickering that occurs when religious fanatics and scientists/atheists get together.[/quote]

…again (as i’ve written this before) for example just because there are many religions throughout world history does not mean all of them have to be wrong. one can be right.

same as in your above dilemma, one of them can be right.

[quote]H factor wrote:

The double standard is “hilarious.” Creationism has no place in a science classroom, end of story. It can take place in religious studies, in other places, but why teach something that isn’t based on science in science class? It makes no sense.

edited from another H-factless horse manure post:

That notion that not everything is all one way and shades of gray exist doesn’t fit in with the paranoid mindset of whatever drivel “I can’t see from c-dog.” A guy who I had to put on ignore because he invented an idea that I’m part of a conspiracy to control the dialogue on this website in a liberal way.

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H-factless how nice to be on your ignore function that allows you into my threads all the while affirming that you can’t see any of what i write.

no Christians are sick and tired of being portrayed in media as loony while secular ideas such as men that suck the semen from other men’s penis are put on a pedestal through numerous TV/liberal media. they are looked up to as role models.

if you believe otherwise why does the liberal media report 24/7 when a young football player decides to declare to the world he is homosexual?

if you want fifteen minutes of fame just tell your local liberal media you are tired of the burden of being a homo. boo hoo, i’m on national tv now and may get a reality show.

if you believe otherwise why does our government outspend every other disease to find a cure for AIDS?

there is a cure, dont’ stick your penis in a men’s filthy sewer like anus that is infected with AIDS.

Total Federal spending on AIDS/HIV FY 2009 = 24.1 billion
Total Federal spending on cancer (all types) = 4.81 billion

That’s quite a discrepancy considering the number of new HIV/AIDS cases last year was estimated at about 50,000.

As to specific cancers and funding…

Number of new breast cancer cases/ deaths 2009 = 207,090/39,840
Number of new prostate cancer cases/ deaths 2009 = 217,730/32,050
Number of new lung cancer cases/ deaths 2009 = 222,520/157,300

Funding 2009 for breast cancer = 599.5 million
Funding 2009 for prostate cancer = 293.9 million
Funding 2009 for lung cancer = 246.9 million

…Christians being ridiculed for what they believe in as having no place in such a superbly intelligent age:

Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs evolved over millions of years. They imagine that one kind of animal slowly changed over long periods of time to become a different kind of animal. For instance, they believe that amphibians changed into reptiles (including dinosaurs) by this gradual process.

This would mean, of course, that there would have been millions of creatures during that time that would be “in between,” as amphibians evolved into reptiles. Evidence of these “transitional forms,” as they are called, should be abundant.

However, many fossil experts admit that not one unquestionable transitional form between any group of creatures and another has been found anywhere. If dinosaurs evolved from amphibians, there should be, for example, fossil evidence of animals that are part dinosaur and part something else.

However, there is no proof of this anywhere. In fact, if you go into any museum you will see fossils of dinosaurs that are 100% dinosaur, not something in between. There are no 25%, 50%, 75%, or even 99% dinosaurs - they are all 100% dinosaur!

P.S.

H-factless get some professional help.

And by professional help I mean take a trip to North Korea and ask a paid soldier to stab you in the face with a bayonet.

#16

Wow.
You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

#17

First of all, conservativedog, there are TONS of potential transitional fossils out there. You really have ZERO clue what you are talking about in this respect. I have included a link from wikipedia, which is as good a starting point as any for you regarding this subject.

You’re certainly right, one religion or non-religious view can in fact be right. Does that matter? Don’t you have any clue what FAITH is? You have faith in God because you don’t need proof. You don’t have faith that 2 + 2 = 4, you know it. But God isn’t math. I don’t know where this right/wrong this comes from. What’s the worst that happens if you die and…nothing? So what? You lived your life according to a belief system that you feel strongly about and works for you. If you’re right, congratulations and the rest of us will burn in Hell or be forgiven by God.

And you know what? Christians should be ridiculed, or at least not given credibility, when they hold steadfast to their beliefs in the face of clearcut evidence to the contrary. That’s called dogma. ANYONE should be open to that sort of criticism. Why cling to the belief that evolution does not exist despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, including the comprehensive list of transitional fossils I provided which you are apparently unaware exist? Is there not room in your system of faith for the possibility that you might be wrong on some things? Don’t you WANT your beliefs challenged? That is what makes them stronger. Different, perhaps, but stronger in the end. You apparently see a challenge to your beliefs as anathema, which makes your beliefs that much weaker.

As far as your statistics, they are also totally off-base. You are comparing the total federal expenditures on AIDS, including subsidized housing for AIDS patients, to the funding that only the National Institute of Cancer receives. That is not anywhere close to the total amount spent on cancer research. Get your numbers and your facts straight.

#18

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
When religious conservatives learn to get past the whole creationism thing and accept the far more valid theory of evolution, and when certain atheist scientists stop pointing to scientific discovery as a means of disproving the existence of God, we can move past the infantile bickering that occurs when religious fanatics and scientists/atheists get together.[/quote]

…again (as i’ve written this before) for example just because there are many religions throughout world history does not mean all of them have to be wrong. one can be right.

same as in your above dilemma, one of them can be right.

[quote]H factor wrote:

The double standard is “hilarious.” Creationism has no place in a science classroom, end of story. It can take place in religious studies, in other places, but why teach something that isn’t based on science in science class? It makes no sense.

edited from another H-factless horse manure post:

That notion that not everything is all one way and shades of gray exist doesn’t fit in with the paranoid mindset of whatever drivel “I can’t see from c-dog.” A guy who I had to put on ignore because he invented an idea that I’m part of a conspiracy to control the dialogue on this website in a liberal way.

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H-factless get some professional help.

And by professional help I mean take a trip to North Korea and ask a paid soldier to stab you in the face with a bayonet.
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Not quite what Jesus would have said, is it? And you wonder why SOME Christians get ridiculed.

#19

No matter what idea, concept or theory there is. There will always be those 100% opposed to that concept. Whether in the form of a forum troll or someone with genuine contrary ideas. We should all accepts this and move on.

Save the arguments for your children and people interested in the sharing of ideas. For someone to see evidence provided by science and come to a contrary conclusion is their choice. You have to at least be in a scientific mindset to be receptive to further evidence of a theory, if someone chooses not to be you may as well be shouting at each other in different languages.

If religious individuals spent more time trying to explain how scientific theories do not impact faith in a god or creator we wouldn’t have ridiculous arguments like this. Conservativedog, your last ranting post about gays, aids and cancer is one of the most ignorant piece of garbage statements I have seen on the internet since my last stroll through a you tube forum and while I see no point in arguing with you, people who are offended by your ideas will do everything in their power to ensure that you and people like you have as little influence as possible over our society. Hate and anger masquerading as alternative ideas and beliefs must at all cost be prevented from continuing on to our younger more impressionable generations.

#20

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Wow.
You really have no idea what you’re talking about.[/quote]

i have lived long enough on this earth to recognize there is a serious agenda to wipe out God, creationism and many other issues related to Bible believing citizens all over the world.

i am not a scientist, i doubt you are either.

but explain why is it all the main groups of animals living today have been found in supposedly millions of year old rock?

how can this be if they should have been evolving? theories change as new evidence is discovered. i have a feeling new evidence that can not be refuted will be found debunking evolution. evolutionists are brainwashed so as not to see all the facts.

read this in regards to transitional fossils:

http://creation.com/that-quote-about-the-missing-transitional-fossils

P.S.

i have had better debates when i was younger and in school. one short debate stands out. a non Christian guy called me an idiot for my belief in an invisible man in the sky and said i didn’t know what i was talking about. he said evolution is not a theory, it’s a fact, like the theory of gravity.

i looked him in the eyes and said no, you’re the idiot. it’s not the theory of gravity. it’s the law of gravity.

i wanted to beat the living fuck out him. but alas my character over ruled that whim.