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Letro/Gyno Help Off Cycle

I must have come off my cycle and PCT a little quick and have noticed some gyno…from what I have read letro will more than likely help and I want to give it a go. my only concern is it crashing my sex drive.

I guess i am confused with the appropriate protocol and dosing?

Should I ramp up to the 2.5mgs and then stay at that until gone and then taper off?

or would a smaller dose (say .25mgs ED or EOD) for an extended time and gyno gone help maintain sex drive and do the trick?

i have Nolva for when i come off the letro as well.

please help.

thanks,
Saka

[quote]Saka wrote:
I must have come off my cycle and PCT a little quick and have noticed some gyno…from what I have read letro will more than likely help and I want to give it a go. my only concern is it crashing my sex drive.

I guess i am confused with the appropriate protocol and dosing?

Should I ramp up to the 2.5mgs and then stay at that until gone and then taper off?

or would a smaller dose (say .25mgs ED or EOD) for an extended time and gyno gone help maintain sex drive and do the trick?

i have Nolva for when i come off the letro as well.

please help.

thanks,
Saka

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Letro for sex drive? You need to research more, Letro will help remove some gyno, but you need HCG and clomid for proper PCT.

2.5 mg ED for a week then taper off. works for me every time i get a flare up. lower doses are not the way to go when trying to reduce your gyno, you must be aggressive.

fuck your sex drive. seriously, would you rather go through a week or two of issues with your dick…or walk around with visible tits?!

if you’re really really worried about libido. run a shorty with test prop for 3-4 weeks while you take the letro. 100 mg EOD will do. also, pick up some cialis and take 20 mg E3D during your gyno treatment. those two pieces addeed to your letro protocol might keep things up and running.

the above is exactly what i did to calm my last flare up. it worked for me…it might for you.

If it is serious do the 2.5mg method… if you are over reacting then 0.5mg - 1mg would do good for a week or two…

Pesty - his info is correct IMO, 0.25 shouldnt kill his sex drive…

J

[quote]juice20jd wrote:
2.5 mg ED for a week then taper off. works for me every time i get a flare up. lower doses are not the way to go when trying to reduce your gyno, you must be aggressive.

fuck your sex drive. seriously, would you rather go through a week or two of issues with your dick…or walk around with visible tits?!

if you’re really really worried about libido. run a shorty with test prop for 3-4 weeks while you take the letro. 100 mg EOD will do. also, pick up some cialis and take 20 mg E3D during your gyno treatment. those two pieces addeed to your letro protocol might keep things up and running.

the above is exactly what i did to calm my last flare up. it worked for me…it might for you.[/quote]

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!!

[quote] JJ wrote:
If it is serious do the 2.5mg method… if you are over reacting then 0.5mg - 1mg would do good for a week or two…

Pesty - his info is correct IMO, 0.25 shouldnt kill his sex drive…

J
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IMO, He is doing things backwards. I take letro, and would never take it by itself or after PCT, He should have been taking it while doing his cycle. HCG and novadex for PCT. When you take a product that is going to take out estrogen out of your body, you need a certain amount of test coming in, and he is trying to kick in his natural test, what do you think happens? Get bloodwork done, so you can see where your test levels are at, so you will not deplete them.

Pesty…

the letro is now a reactive measure for the sides he developed…taking it during cycle would be proactive and the best, but it’s too late for him now. the cycle is over.

he’s going to be taking the letro to combat his gyno…not for recovery. did you read the original post or anything else? he already did his PCT and now probably has E rebound gyno. there’s nothing wrong with reactively attempting to alleviate sides before going to the doc. what would bloodwork do in this case? nothing. he’s not concerned about recovery…only dealing with the gyno that developed after his PCT.

Why would he need HCG if he’s off cycle and only using Letro? Am I missing something? I know he would need Nolva when coming off from Letro, but I don’t understand the HCG.

No he is saying that for PCt he uses HCG and Nolva… it kinda isnt relevant…

:wink:

[quote] JJ wrote:
No he is saying that for PCt he uses HCG and Nolva… it kinda isnt relevant…

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I guess I misread. Yeah that makes a lot more sense.

first, thanks for the responses…second, maybe I wasn’t clear or i wrote the post wrong…

I was using letro on my cycle, but I think i came off PCT too soon…thus, E rebound. Or I presume…not trying to freak out, but don’t want to make the situation any worse.

So, I am trying to combat it best I can…I have read several variations of combating gyno using letro and was hoping you guys could help some, which most have, thanks you.

it sounds like the best method is 2.5mgs/day for a week or so and taper off.

would I need to run anything else afterwards to assist normal function? or would anything help maintain sex drive while running the letro, like proviron along side it?

thanks guys for the help.
Saka

proviron would help… but it may be slightly suppressive to individuals with a ‘weakened’ HPTA rather than a fully functioning one.

Just look after the gyno and then worry about the dick.

Run nolvadex or clomid for 3 weeks at 20mg or 50mg respectively.

J

JJ,

I started things up, but never asked what a good taper might be and for how long. i decided on the 2.5mgs letro for a week and hope that does the trick and would like to taper at that point. I could make a stab at this on my own, but am curious your thoughts. I know letro can be harsh to come off of and want to make sure i don’t do more harm than good.

After the taper I would then run 20mgs Nolva for 3 weeks as you mentioned. I have proviron and viagra on hand in case the wife comes knocking.

let me know and thanks for the help.

Saka

That looks fine to me, for the letro, make sure to taper nice and slow and with the nolva after you wont have a rebound issue IMO.

Hope everything works out for the better, saka.

now I am just getting paranoid, but JJ, what did you mean by nice and slow? Right now 2.5mgs is a tab, after my first week of 2.5mgs, should I take 3/4 for a few days, 1/2 for a few days, 1/4 for a few days and after that start up the Nolva or is there a better protocol?

Thanks,
Saka

[quote]juice20jd wrote:
Pesty…

the letro is now a reactive measure for the sides he developed…taking it during cycle would be proactive and the best, but it’s too late for him now. the cycle is over.

he’s going to be taking the letro to combat his gyno…not for recovery. did you read the original post or anything else? he already did his PCT and now probably has E rebound gyno. there’s nothing wrong with reactively attempting to alleviate sides before going to the doc. what would bloodwork do in this case? nothing. he’s not concerned about recovery…only dealing with the gyno that developed after his PCT.[/quote]

Well, What makes you a doctor? You don’t need bloodwork, Would like to see a list of all the ones who believe that and didn,t make it? I been in this game of BB for 28 years, and saw a few of my friends buried, because of ignorance. The only reason I tell you this, because I went through it, and survived. If you are truely concern about gyno, you take it when you are on your cycle, novadex is the only thing I would recommend on PCT. Letro will remove it next time he does a cycle, if it dosen’t, well he probally needs surgery. Of course, I am not a doctor, which I would recommend for him to see.

[quote]pesty4077 wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Pesty…

the letro is now a reactive measure for the sides he developed…taking it during cycle would be proactive and the best, but it’s too late for him now. the cycle is over.

he’s going to be taking the letro to combat his gyno…not for recovery. did you read the original post or anything else? he already did his PCT and now probably has E rebound gyno. there’s nothing wrong with reactively attempting to alleviate sides before going to the doc. what would bloodwork do in this case? nothing. he’s not concerned about recovery…only dealing with the gyno that developed after his PCT.

Well, What makes you a doctor? You don’t need bloodwork, Would like to see a list of all the ones who believe that and didn,t make it? I been in this game of BB for 28 years, and saw a few of my friends buried, because of ignorance. The only reason I tell you this, because I went through it, and survived.

If you are truely concern about gyno, you take it when you are on your cycle, novadex is the only thing I would recommend on PCT. Letro will remove it next time he does a cycle, if it dosen’t, well he probally needs surgery. Of course, I am not a doctor, which I would recommend for him to see. [/quote]

once again, this post is not contributing anything.

he should have been proactive but wasn’t…so saying taking it on cycle as a preventative measure is a mute point and adds zero value for the OP. do you get that? he already has the gyno…what good is saying “you should have been taking it on cycle” doing for him? contribute advice that helps the poster.

of course i’m not a doctor and never claimed to be. i still don’t see where bloodwork would be of any value for this particular circumstance. is bloodwork valuable? yes! but what good is it for THIS CASE? and besides, how many doctors are in tune and up to date and open minded about this topic? not many.

most long standing users who have put some time in to learn the theorectical and practical about AAS probably are on par with the average physician on the subject, when it comes to pertinent knowledge. the doc is not a bad option, and should be the only option for serious sides, but it is not the ONLY option for this case.

i personally don’t care how long you’ve been in the “game” especially when you can’t even read a post, understand it, and contribute something meaningful from your long and storied bodybuilding experience. your wealth of knowledge simply didn’t come through and all i did was try to clarify to you what the poster was asking for.

being in the “game” for such and such years doesn’t give you a get out of jail free card when you pass shit advice…which your posts above don’t really classify as advice, more like off topic advice, and almost fatherly scolding which clouded up the thread.

the whole going to the doctor thing is not ill advised. on the flip side, running a gyno reversal protocol with, letro, not nolvadex, is not a horrible idea. it has worked for many people and if he can live with the knowledge the glands are there, and to be proactive in side prevention from here on, why rush to the doctor if he can limit the problem himself.

i did not flame or insult you in previous posts, but please learn to read and interpret the written language before giving advice so as to remain on topic.

lol!

But i agree, take me - The first time i took Sust many moons ago now, i got a little gyno - with no nolva or any anti-estrogen of any kind on hand all i could do was stop the cycle and wait for my dealer to return from holiday. It was he who dismissed my request for an anti-estrogen saying i wouldnt need it… well thanks mate.

But over the years, while the glands are there - i manage to keep them under control so they are no-where near as bad as the small lumps behind many other ‘natural’ mens nipples who drink too much and eat pre-packaged microwave meals for one (i would shoot AAS ANYDAY over eat that shit, they are worse for your skin, libido, sperm count… etc!! lmao!).
Not really noticeable at all on me.

But i have it.

Those people who panic and go for $/£8K surgery for this amount of gyno have more money than sense IMHO, it is not necessary as long as you are smart and considered with not only your AAS use, but your intake of alcohol and other drugs that can worsen the problem.

Dr. Bartholomew JJ

now that I am going down the track i am, what might be the best tapering protocol after my first week on 2.5mgs/day? 3/4 tab for a few days, 1/2 a tab for a few more, 1/4 tab for a few more and after that start the Nolva? don’t want to come off too fast and have more trouble…

so, breakdown:

wk1: 2.5 mgs letro (1 tab/day)
wk2: 3/4 tab letro for 3 days, 1/2 tab letro 3 days, 1/4 tab letro 1 day
wk3: 1/4 tab letro 1 day, start Nolva 20mgs/day
wk4: 20mgs/day nolva
wk5: 20mgs/day nolva

thanks for all the help guys,
Saka