[quote]bald eagle wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
I think you’ve summed it up rather well.
I suppose I’d add “habitual equivocator” to the list - or is that quibbling over trifles? 
edit: probably curls in the squat rack too.
Dumbell curls at that.
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Don’t forget those turkish get-ups when no one’s looking. What could be more unAmerican than that?
[quote]lixy wrote:
He’s loved by Germans!
That’s the killer argument right there.[/quote]
And it is too.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
<<< I think that Obama, McCain, Biden and Palin are four good people who really care about this country. >>>[/quote]
I do not. Obama and Biden hate what this country was founded to be. Biden has spent a career vociferously working to transform it into the image of our enemies and Obama is just getting started. It is just not intellectually honest to say that what those 2 guys are preaching would not have gotten them thrown out of the first constitutional convention. It is not American… it just isn’t. What they love is their socialist utopian vision of a neutered communist love in where this country once stood.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I think that all four have “No where but in America” stories. [/quote]
Hitler went from homeless half assed artist to a global threat in ten years on sheer political cunning. EXTRAordinary is not necessarily a US monopoly and not necessarily good.
What’s extraordinary is the present environment more than Obama himself. 40 years ago he would have been sleeping on the floor of some radical nutcase clubhouse somewhere where he belongs. Today he’s hailed as an “American” success story. He is and has done nothing that we haven’t handed to him by our lax minding of the store.
None of this means I don’t still like you, but I cannot share your views on this guy. He’s an intelligent enemy and nothing more.
[quote]orion wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
DAMITT!
And he probably doesn’t bench much!
(Does anyone know what Obama benches…RAW???)
Mufasa
I am not saying that he has hooves, but did you notice he always wears shoes when he appears in public?
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Literally made me LOL. (however, he does actually wear shoes every time I see him in public 
Hmmm…)
Mufasa, I can’t believe you didn’t learn this yet:
Obama=Stalin and Bush=McCain=Hitler
Don’t try to complicate things any further than this!
Hey, Tirib:
Its never bad to agree to disagree.
Mufasa
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Mufasa, I can’t believe you didn’t learn this yet:
Obama=Stalin and Bush=McCain=Hitler
Don’t try to complicate things any further than this![/quote]
Especially not for this guy =]
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
<<< I think that Obama, McCain, Biden and Palin are four good people who really care about this country. >>>
I do not. Obama and Biden hate what this country was founded to be. Biden has spent a career vociferously working to transform it into the image of our enemies and Obama is just getting started.
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Our enemies? They’re both Salafist jihadis?
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It is just not intellectually honest to say that what those 2 guys are preaching would not have gotten them thrown out of the first constitutional convention. It is not American… it just isn’t. What they love is their socialist utopian vision of a neutered communist love in where this country once stood.
Mufasa wrote:
I think that all four have “No where but in America” stories.
Hitler went from homeless half assed artist to a global threat in ten years on sheer political cunning. EXTRAordinary is not necessarily a US monopoly and not necessarily good.
What’s extraordinary is the present environment more than Obama himself. 40 years ago he would have been sleeping on the floor of some radical nutcase clubhouse somewhere where he belongs. [/quote]
I’ve said this a million times, I don’t like Obama, and will not be voting for him. But the right-wing hysteria about his candidacy is so far from reality it’s almost funny.
Obama is a completely conventional liberal politician. He is not a socialist, unless the term has lost all meaning. He wants to raise taxes some and make the tax code more progressive. Big deal. If you have actually followed him at all, you will realize the guy is a liberal pragmatist, no different than Bill Clinton. He caved on free trade and FISA, to give the most notable examples. His career has been most noticeable for how quickly he has backed down in the face of any serious opposition and how readily he goes with the consensus position. AIPAC comes to mind.
The only issue on which he is maybe noticeably radical is abortion, and even there he is well within the abhorrent consensus of his party.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
<<< Obama is a completely conventional liberal politician. He is not a socialist, unless the term has lost all meaning. >>>[/quote]
He is not an American except by accident of birth unless THAT term has lost all meaning which apparently it has.
It’s like this. If you compare the DEFINING principles upon which this country was founded with the DEFINING principles of the present democrat party with Obama, the leftEST of them all, they are not remotely similar.
Unless we just redefine America every decade or so to accommodate whatever groovy progressive constitutionally activist ideology is en vogue at the time, that term has specific principled content that is not in any way represented by modern liberal democrats, least of all Obama.
The United States is a set of distinct ideas, not just a slab of land. People who hold at least some historical version of those principles are Americans. Those who insist that those principles be abandoned for ones that have been historically held by our enemies are enemies themselves.
If you cannot see that in light of the abundant and unmistakable evidence or do not like that then, as nice a guy as you may be, you have surrendered whether you realize it or not.
I have also said repeatedly that the Republicans of today are only a few steps behind on that same scale of surrender, but there are still major differences between Mccain and Obama enough to make a Mccain vote for me worthy if only as a vote against Obama.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Barrack Hussein (don’t forget the “Hussein” part) Obama is:[/quote]
Obama was the first to trade on the “exotic” and “different” nature of his name (see the Tavis Smiley interview). I think it a cheap ploy, but Obama certainly has no right to complain about it.
I have no idea if he is a card-carrying Marxist, but he certainly sees the world in Marxist categories.
As a Socialist, by American standards (not European), he is the most Socialist (viable) candidate we’ve had in several generations.
This is flatly false, although his unwillingness to label terrorists as such and his insinuations that Islamic terrorists are the product of oppression or material neglect (see the Marxist categories above) are disqueting.
He isn’t a racist, but he is more than happy to play on racial guilt for advantage (see his consistent pattern of suggesting racist subtexts from his opponents when there are none). He is more than happy to wield the racism charge to deflect substantive criticism.
This is a stretch, but his support for an unqualified right to abortion that creates a form of infanticide puts him squarely at odds with the mainstream.
He’ll certainly raise taxes, create more “bread and circuses”, and I think he’d like to circumscribe gun distribution and ownership - he certainly wouldn’t rape our women.
Obama, while an advocate of AA (presumably - I have never heard him talk about it), is the perfect poster child against AA.
It is, however, disappointing to realize that despite all his academic credentials, he has done nothing of significance in academia as either a student or professor - no publications of note. He may be a good professor, but there are thousands of good professors that wouldn’t be good presidents.
He certainly is this, and any defense to the contrary is thin. He showed his colors in his “bitter” speech, but that isn’t terribly unusual - the modern Democratic party sneers at the flyover rubes, it’s just that with Obama, we got to peer behind the curtains.
No doubt is a product of the Chicago political machine (see his getting the petitions of his local political opponents disqualified, even though Obama himself preaches that judges should operate to “help the little guy” - Obama certainly wanted a judge to deliver cold, hard justice when it meant winning a local election).
Certainly not, but in tough times - uncertainty abroad with opportunistic brigands, financial meltdown at home, energy woes - someone of his shallow temperment is a bad idea in the White House. After all, after seeing how an unqualified, rudely educated hockey mom can get in his head as bad as she has, no one should have any confidence Obama could handles himself with adroitness and strength in real crises.
Michelle Obama comes off as an angry harpy - I suspect she is nicer in person.
Obama is very intelligent - although I have to say his intelligence was oversold. I think the bloom is off the rose w/r/t to his brilliance after we have seen him on the campaign trail. Still, he is a bright guy - but he has nowhere near Bill Clinton’s brains or talents.
The MSM has given him a pass - and I think that is the only reason he is the candidate. If the MSM had done the equivalent of the work it has done against Palin recently, Obama would be campaigning for the current nominee and planning for 2012.
I don’t think so - and I don’t think Obama is the essence of evil. I originally approached him as a guy I could like and respect even as I disagreed with him politically.
I have to say - he has been a huge disappointment. He is the classic candidate to demonstrate our society’s silly reliance on “hype” in lieu of substance - he earned nothing, and he was famous for being famous, essentially. As we have peeled back the layers, it has been a downer - we learned we have a talented narcissist who thinks that winning the presidency would effectively validate his sense of self, but little else.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
<<< after seeing how an unqualified, rudely educated hockey mom can get in his head as bad as she has, no one should have any confidence Obama could handles himself with adroitness and strength in real crises. >>>[/quote]
I would have gained a little respect for him had he also not sacrificed 2 days of what was essentially his convention on the altar of the collective Clinton ego. He can be muscled around and taken off his game, pretty significantly off his game, with disturbing ease as you say.
Clinton was an invincible campaigner that seemed almost disappointed the race was over and now he had to govern.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I would have gained a little respect for him had he also not sacrificed 2 days of what was essentially his convention on the altar of the collective Clinton ego. He can be muscled around and taken off his game, pretty significantly off his game, with disturbing ease as you say.[/quote]
I have a number of friends that are supporting Obama, and in that small sample, the refrain is the same - he’ll get pushed around. Whether it is Congress, folks abroad (ally or hostile), or influence-peddlers - he’ll get pushed around.
The buyer’s remorse is apparent, even as they still wouldn’t vote Republican. The idea is that given how peevish and unsettled he has gotten over Palin - the vice-presidential nominee - Obama will be a reactive president that will likely make bad decisions in order to salvage his pride when ignored, challenged, etc., just as he has with Palin.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I would have gained a little respect for him had he also not sacrificed 2 days of what was essentially his convention on the altar of the collective Clinton ego. He can be muscled around and taken off his game, pretty significantly off his game, with disturbing ease as you say.
I have a number of friends that are supporting Obama, and in that small sample, the refrain is the same - he’ll get pushed around. Whether it is Congress, folks abroad (ally or hostile), or influence-peddlers - he’ll get pushed around.
The buyer’s remorse is apparent, even as they still wouldn’t vote Republican. The idea is that given how peevish and unsettled he has gotten over Palin - the vice-presidential nominee - Obama will be a reactive president that will likely make bad decisions in order to salvage his pride when ignored, challenged, etc., just as he has with Palin.[/quote]
My fear is the manifestation of that on the international stage with some big league antagonists that will play him like a fiddle. On the domestic end that could actually be a good thing if some conservative legislators can stare him down and retard some his liberal progress, assuming they have the numbers at all.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
My fear is the manifestation of that on the international stage with some big league antagonists that will play him like a fiddle. [/quote]
Exactly - and this is why I don’t believe conservatives can “win by losing” in hoping an Obama administration will force a good house cleaning of the Republican party. That could, in theory, work - but not at the price tag.
The Vladimir Putins of the world would see Obama as easy prey, and I fear he would be tested early and often, especially since his announced foreign policy has been a mish-mash of unsettled ideas, and - let’s be completely honest - there wouldn’t be a single international player that would be nervous sitting across the table from him.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
My fear is the manifestation of that on the international stage with some big league antagonists that will play him like a fiddle.
Exactly - and this is why I don’t believe conservatives can “win by losing” in hoping an Obama administration will force a good house cleaning of the Republican party. That could, in theory, work - but not at the price tag.
The Vladimir Putins of the world would see Obama as easy prey, and I fear he would be tested early and often, especially since his announced foreign policy has been a mish-mash of unsettled ideas, and - let’s be completely honest - there wouldn’t be a single international player that would be nervous sitting across the table from him.[/quote]
If there is one single realm where Mccain is just unarguably superior in every way it’s this. Even if somebody wants to argue foreign policy, no living breathing human being can possibly believe that Obama can out dance Mccain on this score.
Somebody could make a credible case that Palin out of sheer mule headed commitment to principle would be better.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Don’t forget those turkish get-ups when no one’s looking. What could be more unAmerican than that?[/quote]
Romanian deadlifts, Bulgarian split squats…
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
My fear is the manifestation of that on the international stage with some big league antagonists that will play him like a fiddle.
Exactly - and this is why I don’t believe conservatives can “win by losing” in hoping an Obama administration will force a good house cleaning of the Republican party. That could, in theory, work - but not at the price tag.
The Vladimir Putins of the world would see Obama as easy prey, and I fear he would be tested early and often, especially since his announced foreign policy has been a mish-mash of unsettled ideas, and - let’s be completely honest - there wouldn’t be a single international player that would be nervous sitting across the table from him.
If there is one single realm where Mccain is just unarguably superior in every way it’s this. Even if somebody wants to argue foreign policy, no living breathing human being can possibly believe that Obama can out dance Mccain on this score.
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What?! The guy who says “We are all Georgians now,” who has to be reminded that Al Qaeda isn’t Shiite, this guy is “unarguably superior” on foreign policy? Granted Obama has a lot of the same stupid ideas (Georgia in NATO, slave to AIPAC) and some that are even worse (strikes in Pakistan without their permission). But to suggest that McCain is some kind of foreign policy maestro - it’d be funny if there weren’t a lot of lives at stake.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
<<< What?! The guy who says “We are all Georgians now,” who has to be reminded that Al Qaeda isn’t Shiite, this guy is “unarguably superior” on foreign policy? Granted Obama has a lot of the same stupid ideas (Georgia in NATO, slave to AIPAC) and some that are even worse (strikes in Pakistan without their permission). But to suggest that McCain is some kind of foreign policy maestro - it’d be funny if there weren’t a lot of lives at stake.[/quote]
Before responding I will ask that you reread my statement please.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
Don’t forget those turkish get-ups when no one’s looking. What could be more unAmerican than that?
Romanian deadlifts, Bulgarian split squats…[/quote]
German Volume training!
[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
Don’t forget those turkish get-ups when no one’s looking. What could be more unAmerican than that?
Romanian deadlifts, Bulgarian split squats…
German Volume training!
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Dirty Sanchez.