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Legitimate Revolution Possible?


Just want to know what everyone's thoughts are on if a revolution against the US government would actually be a possibility if the control of the federal government continues to increase beyond its constiutionality? (I'm talking about something similar to the French Revolution - the elite government getting overthrown by the trampled-upon middle class (who were effectively in poverty and thus the lower class))


No one has the balls to even seriously consider it.


Consider that while the opening line of the Declaration of Independence reads, "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them," while the Yankee thought it good and right that he could do such a thing with regard to being under a political authority that overtaxed him, when the Southerner -- who likewise was unjustly taxed, paying the great majority of Federal revenues while the South received only a fraction of Federal expenditures -- thought this should apply to him, the response of the Federal Government was murderous.

I would expect a repeat.


My guess is there are far too many people who are totally happy with their comfortable life for this to happen.

For all some people rail against the evils of the government (which from a philosophical standpoint I understand), people in the US actually have it pretty good compared to a lot of other places.


"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

Thomas Jefferson


There are other ways to rebel. No one pays their taxes. Not a single person. Just like an immature child who gets punished when they act foolish, the gov't has proven it cannot spend our money responsibly. So they don't get it until they show they are able to make more intelligent and thought out decisions with our money.


This may be one of the most sedentary things I have ever heard. Excuse me ma'am, your new husband doesn't beat you quite as bad as your first one did, I think you should stay with him. Jackass. Maybe we should tell the people of Iran not to revolt, after all, they have it way better than Darfur does.


The dems won... it's pretty clear it's time for a revolution.


You mean the socialists won, right?


Someone got out of bed the wrong side! Try reading my post, I was commenting on the average american being too busy enjoying life as a consumer to get off there arse and do something.


They're all socialist, there aren't that many true politicians (ones in it for the people) left and the ones that are still true like Ron Paul don't get any air time.


Technology has created a state of affairs in which this is even more true. It is fantasy of the most grandiose variety to believe that any entity except another government could bring down ours by force as long as the Pentagon remains loyal to DC.


Look, you think about that exactly the wrong way.

Government is organized violence. You will never beat them at their own game.

But that is all they are. They are one trick ponies.

It is not about attacking them but about stopping to actively support them.

If 20% just stopped to pay taxes, what could they do but weep?

There are not enough policemen, judges, prison cells....


My family moved here in the 70s from Iraq. I was born here but know all the family stories. This country is a true paradise.


Wrong question to ask all the slobbering fringe on sanity that reside in this board. Half the fuckers who post here, the "libertarians", they've already got their militia plans laid out like "Red Dawn."

But no, it's not going to happen.


Break out the torches and pitchforks! Time for another Shay's rebellion!

Right after the game. Aaaaaaaaaand I promised the kids I would take them for ice cream. And the wife wants some new shoes. And I have two weeks vacation coming up in August. I promised the fam we would go to Orlando. Soooooooo, I'm pretty much booked all Summer. Oh, and I am up for promotion. So I really don't have time to partake in some sort of revolution. Sorry guys.

Hey, there's always next year........


It already is.

You just do not notice it because you expect tanks in the street.

All it takes is a significant portion of the people to say no-

You yourself do not take them serious any more and that is 2/3 of their act.

Pompous twits.


Says the douchebag foreigner that doesn't even live in the fuckin country? Yea OK shit for brains. I bet you know what's going on better than I do.


If things keep going as thet are, there will come a tipping point, a point at which it becomes more desireable to a significant number of people to leave the system. This happened slowly and horribly to the Romans. Hopefully, enough people have read Ayn Rand, to bring the whole rotten structure tumbling down ON PURPOSE.


Way better.

I do not know what that says about you, but you tell me.


I´ll tell you the secret though.

Americans really aren´t that special.