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From kilo sport I just purchase 2 bottles of Trenadrol, I read good reviews about it.

        Anybody?  Thanks for your output.

Legal Gear is unproven junk with unknown side effects. The real deal is safer.

[quote]4est wrote:
Legal Gear is unproven junk with unknown side effects. The real deal is safer.[/quote]

As long as you belive it !!!

[quote]jjay wrote:
4est wrote:
Legal Gear is unproven junk with unknown side effects. The real deal is safer.

As long as you belive it !!![/quote]

it has nothing to do with belief. Anabolic/ Androgenic steroids produced by the drug companies have all been approved for use by humans by the FDA for medical therapies. that means lots of trials with large population study groups. The sides are well known to these drugs, as are their mechanisms of action.

using such drugs as ‘superdrol’ e.t.c and other ‘legal’ products, are unknowns as they are right now being sold through ‘loopholes’ They could be quite dangerous, as there has never been intense study of these compounds.

One thing is clear, they were origionally developed by drug companies, but dropped before forwarding an application of approval to the FDA. This says a lot.

[quote]jjay wrote:
4est wrote:
Legal Gear is unproven junk with unknown side effects. The real deal is safer.

As long as you belive it !!![/quote]

Did you not pay attention to the other times this has been covered?

P22 just gave a great explanation about this. Read and learn. P22 knows what he is talking about.

Also, you have proven your douchebaggery in other threads. You don’t have to continue to impress us. However, since you are so much smarter than the rest of us, I have a feeling you’ll keep interjecting your 4 cents at every opportunity.

[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
jjay wrote:
4est wrote:
Legal Gear is unproven junk with unknown side effects. The real deal is safer.

As long as you belive it !!!

it has nothing to do with belief. Anabolic/ Androgenic steroids produced by the drug companies have all been approved for use by humans by the FDA for medical therapies. that means lots of trials with large population study groups. The sides are well known to these drugs, as are their mechanisms of action.

using such drugs as ‘superdrol’ e.t.c and other ‘legal’ products, are unknowns as they are right now being sold through ‘loopholes’ They could be quite dangerous, as there has never been intense study of these compounds.

One thing is clear, they were origionally developed by drug companies, but dropped before forwarding an application of approval to the FDA. This says a lot.[/quote]

That might be true but if I or someone else wanted to do a couple of 2 or 3 week cycles of Oxodrol to see what happens . That’s alot safer then getting started on 8 to 16 week cycles of AAS that could lead anywhere .

Especially considering that these
" prohormones " won’t be available much longer .

[quote]4est wrote:
jjay wrote:
4est wrote:
Legal Gear is unproven junk with unknown side effects. The real deal is safer.

As long as you belive it !!!

Did you not pay attention to the other times this has been covered?

P22 just gave a great explanation about this. Read and learn. P22 knows what he is talking about.

Also, you have proven your douchebaggery in other threads. You don’t have to continue to impress us. However, since you are so much smarter than the rest of us, I have a feeling you’ll keep interjecting your 4 cents at every opportunity.[/quote]

Shut the f**k up sheep !!! Douchebaggery is not a word … It’s 2 cents

[quote]jjay wrote:
Shut the f**k up sheep !!! Douchebaggery is not a word … It’s 2 cents[/quote]

In your case, Douchebaggery is not a word. It’s a lifestyle.

Also, you don’t give your 2 cents. You just keep going and going, hence “4 cents”

[quote]jjay wrote:
Prisoner#22 wrote:
jjay wrote:
4est wrote:
Legal Gear is unproven junk with unknown side effects. The real deal is safer.

As long as you belive it !!!

it has nothing to do with belief. Anabolic/ Androgenic steroids produced by the drug companies have all been approved for use by humans by the FDA for medical therapies. that means lots of trials with large population study groups. The sides are well known to these drugs, as are their mechanisms of action.

using such drugs as ‘superdrol’ e.t.c and other ‘legal’ products, are unknowns as they are right now being sold through ‘loopholes’ They could be quite dangerous, as there has never been intense study of these compounds.

One thing is clear, they were origionally developed by drug companies, but dropped before forwarding an application of approval to the FDA. This says a lot.

That might be true but if I or someone else wanted to do a couple of 2 or 3 week cycles of Oxodrol to see what happens . That’s alot safer then getting started on 8 to 16 week cycles of AAS that could lead anywhere .

Especially considering that these
" prohormones " won’t be available much longer .[/quote]

Please explain to us how using onknown, unproven compounds (albeit for shorter periods of time) is safer than using tested-to-exhaustion compunds that have been approved for use in humans. I’m all ears

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[quote]jjay wrote:
That’s alot safer then getting started on 8 to 16 week cycles of AAS that could lead anywhere .

Especially considering that these
" prohormones " won’t be available much longer .[/quote]

You know I deal with stupidity on a day to day basis. But jjay you have to be one of the biggest offenders. Shouldn’t it tell you something when these will not be available any longer very soon? AAS have been studied and approved for human use, every single shitty pro-hormone you can think of has not. You are a little kid looking for an easy way to build muscle and look “diesel” without putting in the work. Go eat and lift, and do me a favor, go back to the World of Warcraft or one of those other juvinille forums and leave us alone.

I hope you aren’t like this with your girlfriend or in other aspects of your life, it would be like wanting your paycheck but not coming to work. Or wanting sex but being too lazy to get undressed…

[quote]jjay wrote:
Prisoner#22 wrote:
jjay wrote:
4est wrote:
Legal Gear is unproven junk with unknown side effects. The real deal is safer.

As long as you belive it !!!

it has nothing to do with belief. Anabolic/ Androgenic steroids produced by the drug companies have all been approved for use by humans by the FDA for medical therapies. that means lots of trials with large population study groups. The sides are well known to these drugs, as are their mechanisms of action.

using such drugs as ‘superdrol’ e.t.c and other ‘legal’ products, are unknowns as they are right now being sold through ‘loopholes’ They could be quite dangerous, as there has never been intense study of these compounds.

One thing is clear, they were origionally developed by drug companies, but dropped before forwarding an application of approval to the FDA. This says a lot.

That might be true but if I or someone else wanted to do a couple of 2 or 3 week cycles of Oxodrol to see what happens . That’s alot safer then getting started on 8 to 16 week cycles of AAS that could lead anywhere .

Especially considering that these
" prohormones " won’t be available much longer .[/quote]

Wrong again. I am not going to argue the safety of steroids. Everyone knows they have their risks. These ‘prohormones’ ARE more dangerous and everyone with a brain knows it. They are untested. But known to be more liver toxic. Have more sides. Less information is known on proper dose. They ARE steroids. designer steroids with more adverse side effects. What makes it even worse is that people don’t realize this and take them without proper PCT.

[quote]jjay wrote:
Prisoner#22 wrote:
jjay wrote:
4est wrote:
Legal Gear is unproven junk with unknown side effects. The real deal is safer.

As long as you belive it !!!

it has nothing to do with belief. Anabolic/ Androgenic steroids produced by the drug companies have all been approved for use by humans by the FDA for medical therapies. that means lots of trials with large population study groups. The sides are well known to these drugs, as are their mechanisms of action.

using such drugs as ‘superdrol’ e.t.c and other ‘legal’ products, are unknowns as they are right now being sold through ‘loopholes’ They could be quite dangerous, as there has never been intense study of these compounds.

One thing is clear, they were origionally developed by drug companies, but dropped before forwarding an application of approval to the FDA. This says a lot.

That might be true but if I or someone else wanted to do a couple of 2 or 3 week cycles of Oxodrol to see what happens . [/quote]

Oh, you twat. Oxodrol is a steroid. One that has more sides than test or any number of illegal steroids. It’s only on the market because of a stupid loophole. Someone else [or you] could do 2 to 3 cycles in which you would cause a lot more damage to your body than with an illegal steroid. Then you could make it all better with milk thistle. That’s it. No need to do proper PCT. Forget about the fact that your body treats it as a steroid. It’s ok since it’s not classifed as one due to some government grunt sleeping on the job. Gimme a break. You’ve probably already done this.

Alright guys I’ll keep it as simple as I can .

subject A - An exprienced trainer - supplement user does a 2 week cycle of oxodrol-minimizes the risks with legal pct and test boosters for 4 to six weeks and goes again if all is well . 4 weeks total of the “Poison” Maybe keeps 4-5 pounds wich is alot that quick when your already big !

Subject B . Same Experience . Not really happy with his size even though he might big . Feels weak and insecure . Ohhh ! Gets a steroid connect starts doing these AAS stack rollercoasters .
Has a bunch of muscle he can’t maintain without more drugs . And keeps using until there is a problem . Then YOU have spent a shit load of money and end up alot worse of then before . But It’s to late. You should have paid more attention to old JJay .

None for me thanks …

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
jjay wrote:
Prisoner#22 wrote:
jjay wrote:
4est wrote:

Oh, you twat. [/quote]

Easy Sally …

subject A - gets gyno from using legal pct and test boosters and has to have surgery; severe drop in hdl and spike in liver enzymes make him a walking time bomb

subject B - uses adex throughout cycle and proper pct involving (possibly but not limited to) real nolvadex, clomid, hcg. Has no incidence of gyno, a healthy blood lipid profie, and minimal effect on liver enzymes as injectibles were used instead of orals.

Which person’s end result would you rather have?

And again I say, show me some evidence backing up your arguements, as a quick search will produce a TON of research proving them wrong.

I think I smell a trollllllllllll

[quote]jjay wrote:
Alright guys I’ll keep it as simple as I can .

subject A - An exprienced trainer - supplement user does a 2 week cycle of oxodrol-minimizes the risks with legal pct and test boosters for 4 to six weeks and goes again if all is well . 4 weeks total of the “Poison” Maybe keeps 4-5 pounds wich is alot that quick when your already big !

Subject B . Same Experience . Not really happy with his size even though he might big . Feels weak and insecure . Ohhh ! Gets a steroid connect starts doing these AAS stack rollercoasters .
Has a bunch of muscle he can’t maintain without more drugs . And keeps using until there is a problem . Then YOU have spent a shit load of money and end up alot worse of then before . But It’s to late. You should have paid more attention to old JJay .

None for me thanks …[/quote]

[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
jjay wrote:
That’s alot safer then getting started on 8 to 16 week cycles of AAS that could lead anywhere .

Especially considering that these
" prohormones " won’t be available much longer .

You know I deal with stupidity on a day to day basis. But jjay you have to be one of the biggest offenders. Shouldn’t it tell you something when these will not be available any longer very soon? AAS have been studied and approved for human use, every single shitty pro-hormone you can think of has not. You are a little kid looking for an easy way to build muscle and look “diesel” without putting in the work. Go eat and lift, and do me a favor, go back to the World of Warcraft or one of those other juvinille forums and leave us alone.

I hope you aren’t like this with your girlfriend or in other aspects of your life, it would be like wanting your paycheck but not coming to work. Or wanting sex but being too lazy to get undressed… [/quote]

Personal trainer huh ? Isn’t that about one step above an honorary fireman . What’s next for you a citizen’s Arrest .
How about you get some friends together and call yourselves the -

Gym taskforce FORM police !!!

[quote]Big Willie Style wrote:
subject A - gets gyno from using legal pct and test boosters and has to have surgery; severe drop in hdl and spike in liver enzymes make him a walking time bomb

subject B - uses adex throughout cycle and proper pct involving (possibly but not limited to) real nolvadex, clomid, hcg. Has no incidence of gyno, a healthy blood lipid profie, and minimal effect on liver enzymes as injectibles were used instead of orals.

Which person’s end result would you rather have?

And again I say, show me some evidence backing up your arguements, as a quick search will produce a TON of research proving them wrong.

I think I smell a trollllllllllll

[/quote]

Who does one perfect cycle and Quits ?

Like I said before as long as you believe it .

[quote]jjay wrote:
Personal trainer huh ? Isn’t that about one step above an honorary fireman . What’s next for you a citizen’s Arrest .
How about you get some friends together and call yourselves the -

Gym taskforce FORM police !!! [/quote]

Oh wow. Thank you for proving my point about your stupidity. Even if I didn’t require help.

You may dislike my chosen career, but at least I have a brain. This is more than I can say for you.

Lets change focus. Please Jjay go take prohormones. PCT and all that other crap is just that, crap. You can stay on 24/7/365. So do it bro, and go get huge.

So when he has bitch tits and is completely sterile, he can’t reproduce and there aren’t little Jjay’s harassing us 18 years from now

Why do people keep saying that AAS have been tested in humans and thus are safer?
Yes some have been tested in humans, but others are only meant for cattle.
The ones that have been tested and used for human use are only used in the extremely sick. Almost all steroids that bodybuilders and powerlifters alike abuse are meant for people suffering from AIDS or Cancer. Breast cancer patients that have to shut off all estrogen, because estrogen triggers the cancer cells, use the same drugs people use for PCT and anti-E.

These people are already sick and the side effects are of little threat to their health in comparison to what they are already facing. These drugs were 1) never intended for healthy humans and 2) were not intended at the dosage many take them at.
AAS in my opinion are no safer than prohormones. Both have their risks and are different risks, but one is not safer than the other. It seems more likely how someone reacts to one or the other make forms his or her ideas as to what is safer.

To sum up my views, unless you are an AIDS patient needing to up your strength at all cost to survive or a breast cancer patient needing to shut off your estrogen receptors so you do not develop new cancer cells, AAS is not tested and proven safe for your use.