One of Dante's posts copy/pasted from IM -
This post is going to make me look like an ass--so be it. Im seeing posts in this forum that are seriously alarming me here and if it pisses you off what im saying, well welcome to the freaking wake up call! My methods arent for the weekend quarterback and they sure arent for the beginning lifter, they never have and never will be.
This is for hardcore bodybuilders ONLY, lets get that straight right here and now. Im seeing posts in here about, "well I cant play basketball and I cant rockclimb if I do deadlifts on thursdays and I dont want to use wrist straps because"..... WELL THAT SUCKS----PICK ONE OR THE OTHER HERE THEN!!!!! BECAUSE MY METHODS ARE ABOUT MAKING SOMEONE A BODYBUILDER THE FASTEST WAY POSSIBLE. My methods arent out there so you can be a hybrid bodybuilder/tennis player.
Thats what mens health and muscle and fitness is for! This is about extremes and limits and if you can run around jumping and playing full court basketball, there is no doubt in my mind that you dont have a clue how hard we are training legs here.... Do you want to be a rock climber or do you want to be a bodybuilder? Because my methods are 100% made to get you on the fasttrack in bodybuilding. If your worried about your hamstrings being sore so you cant play handball every tues and thurs nite, then your in the wrong fucking forum!
IM sorry but these things dont mix well. Just like if I wanted to become a wordclass 50m swimmer, you wouldnt see me eating and training like a superheavyweight powerlifter. This isnt for weekend warriors and i dont want it to be--this is serious stuff--extremes. So if your goals arent to be the best bodybuilder your genetics will allow, your in the wrong place readingwise and doing the wrong thing trainingwise.
Second of all--there is starting to be a proliferation of 16-20 year olds jumping on this bandwagon.
Now there are some 20 year olds that have their head on straight with this (very rare) but when I start seeing posts about run of the mill basic Flex magazine crap (squatting low is bad for your knees and other crap) then there is a big problem. Whats next--the body can only assimilate 25 grams of protein a meal? eating according to the food pyramid? blue ball core training? I dont want to see a dumbing down of this forum--this is for advanced lifters who already know the basics and have been thru them.
You have seen Massive G say this a million times and IM going to reiterate this. THIS IS NOT FOR ANYONE THAT HASNT BEEN LIFTING FOR AT LEAST 3 YEARS. Can any 30 year old in this forum say to me that he is less hardcore and can drum up less intensity than he did when he was 18 years old? Because I can crank it out about 4 times as hard now, and I know you guys can too. I roll my eyes every single time I see a 16-20 year old telling everyone how "hardcore" and "balls to the wall" they are.
Unless your Usmuscle who is an old man in bodybuilding years compared to his real age, trust me you havent got a clue in the world. A set of 8 that you do at 18 years old (that you thought you were the "man" doing) can probably be grinded out for 13 reps at 30 years old.... even if the strength is the same, because you develop a serious brutal fortitude with age. If you have been lifting 5 years steady with flat biceps genetically, and still think that if you bomb concentration curls you will somehow magically 'all of a sudden' develop a Colemanesque peak, your in the wrong damn forum.
Thirdly, everybody wants to cookie cutter this stuff and its frustrating the hell out of me and Inhuman and others. Some things are basic and can be used by everyone. But there is alot of stuff that has to be individually decided according to you dietwise and also to you injurywise, strengthwise, timewise, etc etc etc. I see people asking questions sometimes outside of the basic training regimen (which is pretty universal but definitely not in all cases recovery wise) and others giving cookie cutter answers like "one size fits all" even if its dietwise.
If Inhuman or myself arent training you (this is to newer guys) you got to use some deductive reasoning in all of this please. On cycles for pennies there was a guy who asked me what I ate and I posted what I ate the day before exactly. I didnt think much about it. Sometimes I post things and dont think of the consequences of them (like the goddamn 6 second negative phase which I didnt think everyone would be so anal about and has been a monkey on my back ever since) ...at that time I wrote about what I ate the day before...... I was 290 or so lbs but was working an incredibly hard labourous job and was finding it really difficult to gain weight.
That single day if I remember right came out to 7800 calories and 564 grams of protein--THAT WAS FOR ME AND ME ONLY!!! And even with eating that much my weight gain that year sucked pretty much, thats how hard that job was. What do i see? That exact days eating has been passed around and around and around for the last 3-4 years in a Doggcrapp training pdf as "DC's diet recommendation" and people are following that.
If I ate that diet now I would be a blimp because IM much more sedentary and do alot of office and desk work. I still eat 450-650 grams of protein but my calories are much much lower. There are things I have certain trainees doing in their workouts that I wouldnt have anyone else do. Injuries to work around. Hell Ih knows this firsthand as he has to really watch his back. There are alot of decisions to make outside of the basic structure of this all including timing of cardio and carb cuttoffs due to how/when a person works.
But the biggest thing of all is fixing problems. I have to continually fix problems every time a trainee of mine comes to a plateau and i have to look at everything as a whole and plug the leak. Its been very very rare that I have had a trainee who didnt plateau out at some point and I had to fix it somehow. Thats so important and needs to be done or someone will be training and spinning his wheels in place indefinitely. And noone including myself wants to train for 6 months busting his hump getting nowhere.
My main point here is I'm seeing people want this all set in stone and it cant be done like that. If Fred is 300lbs, with a bad back, and has 200lbs of lean muscle, and works 14 hours a day, and is lactose intolerant, with high blood pressure, I sure as hell am not going to have him doing the exact same things as Rick, who is 230lbs, with 200lbs of lean muscle, with a really bad shoulder, incredibly bad recovery ability, works 6 hours a day, 6 days a week, and has shin splints limiting his treadmill walking.
Do I want everyone starting out to be doing the M W F split--yes because thats proven to work best for the majority but when we get into diet and other things, thats a whole new ballgame here and it cannot be done with a cookie cutter