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LBM Cycle Feedback (Tren/Sus/Anavar/Primo)


#1

Gentleman,

I'd kindly like some feedback on an up-coming cycle which I have planned. Firstly, some stats:

Age: 27
Weight: 180lbs
Height: 6ft
BF%: 10%
Cycle: 3rd

Rather than going all out on a full bulk, I'm looking to try a different approach and eat a controlled clean bulk diet. With the hopes of slowly adding 10-15lbs of LBM, whilst getting my BF% slowly down into the single digits. I'm happy with my build, but I have some lagging parts in particular my arms/shoulders/traps. I was looking to correct these problem areas, whilst leaning out in the process.

This is the cycle I've got planned. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Week 1-8: 300mg Primo x 3 per week
Week 1-8: 200mg Tren-mix E5D
Week 1-8: 250mg Sustanon x 1 per week
Week 1-8: 40mg oral Anavar ED
Week 1-8: 0.5mg Arimadex ED

Week 9 (Bridge/Clearence before PCT): Arimadex 0.5mg ED

Week 2-6: HCG 250iu E3D
Week 9-10 (PCT): Nolvadex 40mg ED
Week 11-12 (PCT): Nolvadex 20mg ED


#2

What esters does the tren-mix have?
1 week in between PCT and sustanon is not long enough.


#3

You'll need to hit the sust more frequently, at least 2 times a week preferably more. IMO sust isn't great if you are trying to lean up. I've used it twice before and each time I've had considerble water retention (not to mention acne).

Also that's a pretty low dose of HCG. You may want to consider running 500iu (or more) EOD for 3 weeks.

If there is tren ace in that mix of yours then you'll need to hit that at least EOD.


#4

I am pretty sure that 250iu e3d is standard, you have the part right to start 2 weeks in but it should go till a couple days before you begin pct, which should start 2 weeks after your last shot of test due to the long esters in sust.


#5

here's my 2 cents,
Primo EOD, Var atleast 60mg ED, Sust ED or at least EOD especially because this is your test! , if Tren "blend" has ace, at least EOD. Start nolva one week later, run HCG 2 weeks longer...


#6

Thanks for all the replies boys. Here is some further feedback. I'm trying as best possible to keep pinning down to a minimum, I really don't fancy injecting every single day! :slightly_smiling:

This is from the Global Anabolics (brand) web-site: Tri-Trenabol 200 (Chemical Name): Trenabolone acetate,Trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate and Trenbolone enanthate.

Sust ED? At what dose?


#7

Why should he start his nolva PCT only ONE week after his last injection? Sustanon has the decanoate ester and tren enanthate has half-life of around 14 days, his levels of androgens will still be high within 1 week. Decanoate ester has a half-life of around 15 days.


#8

I meant one week later than he is already, so I agree with you.


#9

Sust ED? At what dose?
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it has prop and phenylpropionate esters which kind of necessitates the eod injections, other wise you have peeks and valleys. Sust was created for convenience not body building, shit sucks IMO. Just get some cyp, front load it and hit it twice a week after that easy peezy. If you stick with the Sust EOD is pretty standard from what I've read for years.

Just to clarify when I said start nova one week later, i meant one week later than you are already planning, you need to let the gear clear a bit, Also you can run a very low dose of Adex for several weeks after cycle to help prevent any estrogen rebounds as well.


#10

So during the two week clearance period before PCT, should I continue to run Arimadex at 0.5mg EOD for the first week, then possibly start tapering down to 0.25mg EOD during the second week, to stave off Estrogen rebound?


#11

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So during the two week clearance period before PCT, should I continue to run Arimadex at 0.5mg EOD for the first week, then possibly start tapering down to 0.25mg EOD during the second week, to stave off Estrogen rebound?[/quote}

I run adex for 4 weeks after PCT.


#12

So during the two week clearance period before PCT, should I continue to run Arimadex at 0.5mg EOD for the first week, then possibly start tapering down to 0.25mg EOD during the second week, to stave off Estrogen rebound?[/quote}

I run adex for 4 weeks after PCT.
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Really? I read that was detrimental to natural recovery. I'll have to look that up.


#13

Do any of you think that Anavar is redundant and not needed due to the Tren basically doing the same thing?


#14

Why do you run anastrozole for 4 weeks after PCT?


#15

I tend to rebound if I don't... Just works for me really well, and seems to make my "recovery" very smooth


#16

Wouldn't it be better to taper off during clearance?