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Layer System for Bench


#1

I’m currently training towards a 405 pound bench press.
I’m going to be using the layer system, and i was wondering if you have any recommendations for tweaking the program to be more bench specilized? Ex switiching the snatch grip high pull for a shoulder press.
Thanks!


#2

To boost your bench I suggest 1 weekly layer workout for the bench and one strength-skill session (8-12 sets of 2-3 reps at around 80% focusing on technique and speed)

Here’s a guide on how to select the best methods for each layer:

LAYER NO.1 – NEUROLOGICAL RAMPING
In this first ramp the main goal is to increase neurological activation/potentiation. You have to understand that every time you lift a weight two things happen:

  1. You increase neurological activation (excite the nervous system) which has a positive impact on strength and power performance and makes muscle fiber recruitment, firing rate and programming more efficient. The amount of potentiation created from strength lifts is directly related to how much force you need to produce.

  2. You create fatigue (neurological and physiological), which has a negative impact on performance. Physiological/physical fatigue is linked to the amount of work you are doing, so if you do more reps you simply create more fatigue. Neural fatigue builds up over time, which is why after a certain number of intense sets you observe a drop in mental focus and motivation.
    When our goal is to potentiate the nervous system we need high force contractions (F = mass x acceleration), so either heavy work or explosive work. If we want to have a performance increase from that potentiation, we must minimize fatigue, so we want to keep the reps low.
    These are the principles behind a neurological ramp.

You will start with around 60% of your maximum on a lift (after a few slightly higher reps and lighter warm-up) and gradually work up toward the max weight you can handle for 1, 2 or 3 reps.

The key here is that you only perform the number of reps of your target RM so as to minimize fatigue. For example, if your target is a 2RM (heaviest weight you can lift for 2 solid reps) you will work up doing only sets of 2 reps. You want to reach your 2RM in around 6-10 sets (only the last 3 will actually be demanding).

It might look like this:

Assuming that you predict that your 2RM will be somewhere between 275 and 295lbs.
Set 0: 10 reps with empty bar
Set 1: 5 reps with 95lbs
Set 2: 2 reps with 135lbs
Set 3: 2 reps with 155lbs
Set 4: 2 reps with 175lbs
Set 5: 2 reps with 195lbs
Set 6: 2 reps with 215lbs
Set 7: 2 reps with 235lbs
Set 8: 2 reps with 255lbs
Set 9: 2 reps with 275lbs (it’s tough, you know you can do more, but not 20lbs more)
Set 10: 2 reps with 285lbs (2RM for the day)

The other key element is that on every set, you are trying to accelerate the weight as quickly as possible while still maintaining perfect, tight form. Remember that force = mass x acceleration. The more force we produce, the more we “activate” the CNS. In the early sets, the weight (mass) is low so you need to compensate by producing more acceleration otherwise force output will be too low to activate the CNS optimally.

Should you choose 1, 2 or 3 reps?
Using heart rate variability assessment, I found out that ramping to a 1RM has about twice the negative impact on the nervous system as ramping to a 2 or 3RM. The difference between a 2 and 3RM isn’t big. So the first thing to know is that ramping to a 1RM should be done very infrequently.

My personal preference when training for pure strength is to ramp to a 2RM and when I want more size I ramp to a 3RM. I will concede that it doesn’t make a huge difference but I still noticed that sets of 3 are where you can begin to gain muscle mass from your sets. Doing sets of 1 and 2 actually do not produce much stimulus for growth (unless you did like 8-10 work sets with 90-95% which is not what I’m talking about here and is very draining).

Ramping to a 1RM can be done for 1 or 2 weeks, no more. One of my favorite approach is as follows:

Week 1: Ramp to 3RM
Week 2: Ramp to 2RM
Week 3: Ramp to 2RM
Week 4: Ramp to 1RM

LAYER NO.2 – STRENGTH WORK
The second layer is where you build the most strength. My go-to approach tends to be clusters, 9 times out of 10. A cluster is a set where you do reps with 10-20 seconds of rest between reps or a group of reps (racking the weight after every rep). You pick a weight you could lift for 2 more reps than the RM you selected (if you did a 2RM then you select a weight you could lift for 4 normal reps) and do 2 more reps than you should be able to do (6 in this case). If you are able to reach the target number of reps with good form you can add more weight for the next set. If you only get 4 reps (in this case) decrease the weight a bit.
I also use other cluster options.

For example:

Descending clusters: here one cluster has 3 “mini-sets” (so two pauses). And you tend to decrease the reps on each mini-set.

If you worked up to a 2RM, pick a weight you can do for 4 reps and do 3 reps/rest 10-20 sec/2 reps/rest 10-20 sec/1 rep/end of set.

If you worked up to a 3RM, pick a weight you can do for 5 reps and do 4 reps/3 reps/2 reps.

If you worked up to a 1RM pick a weight you could lift for 3 reps and do 2/2/1.

Plateau clusters: Here you perform clusters sets of 2+2+2+… you perform “mini-sets” of 2 reps until you can only get 1. When you can only get one, you stop. The weight selection obeys the same rule as above (select a weight you can do for 2 more reps than your RM for the day, which is about 92% of it) and you take 15 seconds between mini-sets of 2.

2 reps/15 sec/2 reps/15 sec/2 reps/etc.

If you can complete 4 mini-sets (8-9 total reps in a set) add weight.

Finally, a second option instead of clusters is to use regular sets. A good example of this is the method by my friend, and Canada’s Strongest Man, Jean-Francois Caron: After workout up to your RM for the day, do 3 sets of 5 with 80-85% of your RM.

My personal favorite remains the regular cluster (1+1+1+…) and is what I use most of the time. A less advanced lifter might want to stick to straight sets (3 x 3 or 3 x 5). The other two cluster options tend to build a little bit more size and a little bit less strength than the pure cluster, but the difference is insignificant and can be a nice change of pace.

LAYER NO.3 – FIXING WEAKNESS
In the third layer, we work at a lower percentage, around 70% of your RM for the day, and lift in a way that fixes your problem area.

Everybody is either strength-dominant or speed-dominant. In simpler words, you are either a “grinder” (you don’t lift fast but you can grind through sticking points) or an “exploder” (you are explosive but getting through a sticking point is almost impossible, it moves up fast or it doesn’t move). A grinder might make 225lbs look very hard but still be able to work up to 275 while an exploder might make 265 look like a warm-up but fail at 275.

In this third layer, you want to “go against your nature” to fix your weakness.
If you are explosive, use slow tempo reps. My go-to method is lifting using a 5050 tempo (going down in 5 seconds, going up in 5 seconds). Going slower than that doesn’t make it more effective.

If you are a grinder, use explosive sets of 2-3 reps with around 60% of your RM. The goal is not to use more weight, it is to be violently explosive. Focus on increasing the speed instead of increasing the weight.

You can also use other strategies to fix a weak point. For example, you do the movement with a 2-3 second pause during the concentric (lifting) portion of the exercise. The pause should be at (around) your weak point. For example, if in the squat your weak point is at 90 degrees you would: squat all the way down, move up, pause for 3 seconds when you reach the 90-degree position, finish the lift. This is one rep.

One final option is to use 1 ¼ reps (double contraction). Here, you do either the bottom or top portion of the lift twice per rep. The half rep must be done really slowly. This the option to use if your weak point in a part of a lift is due to losing body tightness or position (for example, if you lean forward in a squat or if your upper back rounds in a front squat).
A 1 ¼ rep looks like this:

Squat all the way down, slowly lift back up to the half squat position, slowly squat back down, stand up completely. This is ONE rep.

You can also do the same thing with the top portion of the lift.

LAYER NO.4 – HYPERTROPHY LAYER
Even if your main goal is strength, muscle mass is still important because a larger muscle has as a greater strength potential. Imagine that your muscle is a factory: a bigger factory with more employees has the potential for higher production. But if the employees are lazy and don’t work well together, the potential is wasted.

The size of the factory and the number of employees is how big your muscle is. How hard-working the employees are and how well they work together is your neural efficiency. Regardless of how neurologically efficient you are, the size of your muscle is still the limiting factor of how much force you can produce, which is why there are weight classes in weightlifting and powerlifting.

So if you want to maximize strength you should also increase your muscle mass. This is the purpose of the fourth layer.

You can use several methods depending on your preference, and since the goal of this layer is only to create maximum fiber fatigue, you can vary the method you use at every workout.
Here are some options for this layer:

5-4-3-2-1 high density sets: using around 65% of your max RM for the day, or a weight you could do for 10 good reps, you start by doing 5 reps, you then rest 15 seconds, do 4 reps with the same weight, rest another 15 seconds, do 3 reps, rest 15 seconds, do 2 reps, rest a final 15 seconds and do one last rep. This is ONE set. Just like with clusters, you rack the weight after each “mini-set”.

Double reps rest/pause: Use a weight you can lift around 8-10 times. Do as many good reps as you can and then you do rest/pause sets until you reach double your total number of reps. For example, if you got 8 reps in the first “mini-set”, you keep using rest-pause until you reach a total of 16 reps. It might look like this:

8 reps
Rest 15 seconds
4 reps
Rest 15 seconds
2 reps
Rest 15 seconds
2 reps
End of set

Intense drop sets: Start with a weight you can do for 6-8 reps. Get as many solid reps as you can. Then reduce the weight by around 10% and perform as many additional reps as you can (rest as little as possible between both sets).

Volume drop sets: Start with a weight you can do for 6-8 reps. Gets as many solid reps as you can. Reduce the weight by 25-30% and perform as many additional reps as you can. Reduce by another 25-30% and again try to perform as many reps as you can.

Myo-rep sets: These are a method by my friend, and one of the smartest person in training that I know, Borge Fagerli (Facebook Page). You could pick any type of resistance you want but for the scope of this program I like to use a weight you can lift for around 10-12 reps.

You do the first part of the set by doing as many good reps as you can (stop one rep short of failure). Then you rack the weight and rest for 10-15 seconds. You will tend do 3 additional reps with the same weight. Rest another 10-15 seconds. Try to get 3 more reps, and so on and so forth until you either can’t do 3 reps in a mini-set or you reach a total of 5 extra mini-sets.

For example, a set might look like this:
10 reps / rest 10 sec/ 3 reps / rest 10 sec / 3 reps / rest 10 sec / 3 reps / rest 10 sec / 2 reps/ end of set

Note that this is only one versio of myo-reps which is actually a much more complex system. If you want to read more about it you can find the info here.

Hard 5s: This is the simplest variation: use around 75% and do 3 sets of 5 with 30 seconds of rest. This is hypertrophy work geared more towards strength, specifically the capacity to maintain strength with short periods of rest (useful for football players for example).


Opinion on Myo-Reps
#3

I love this stuff and have bookmarked it so I can keep coming back. I’ve searched the forum for the answer and haven’t stumbled across it yet so I’m sorry if you’ve covered it. I’m currently running Layers from your original T-Nation article and workout. My main focus is bench so that’s the only lift I’ve been running Layers.

I do a push/pull split and lift four days a week. What should I do on the second pushing session? I’m in week four and up until now I’ve been doing 5x2 with about 80% of my 1RM on bench. I stole it from the explosive workout from your 915 program and use a controlled eccentric and accelerate the bar on the concentric.

Is that the best “Day 2” option? Should I run Layers on Incline for Day 2? Something else?

Thanks in advance!


#4

Isn’t it kind of fun and frustrating at the same time to have so many options for that second day?

You mentioned bench is your focus, is the press taking a back seat for now? Personally that’s the route I would go, every time I get stronger on the press it translates to my bench but not vice-versa (weak shoulders here). Everyone is different though of course.

Maybe using the second day to work on your weaknesses would be good? Focus on being explosive or using deliberately slow reps, and then a few lifts to bring up the weak link in the muscle chain.

Happy lifting!


#5

In this thread CT says to work on your weak link which in my case is slow tempos. I think I’m a speed lifter. I don’t necessarily grind a lot so for me, slow reps would be good. This is already being addressed in the Layers program as I’m doing 4-5 sec eccentrics for 3 x 6-8 @ 70% of my 2RM in Layer 4 of the day.

I’ve heard OHP helps with bench and I’ve also heard that close grip incline is beneficial. On my second push day I’ve been doing the 5x2 @ 80% focusing on accelerating the bar as suggested in the 915 program. I’ve also been doing wave training with the 5/4/3 loading scheme on standing DB Military. I’m not ignoring my pressing but I’m not really emphasizing it.

The reason I’m only focusing on bench is because my hip/low back has been nagging me so I need to let it heal. It seemed like a good time to focus on one thing. I’ve never benched 315 and that’s my goal. I’ve been close in the past. I’ve also never focused on one lift and pursued it; I tend to try to improve everything all at once and I think I overdo it because my first workouts of the week tend to affect the following sessions. From my personal trial and error I don’t seem to have much luck improving everything all at once so I decided to pursue one lift and maintain the rest.


#6

@JMaier31
I stumble across a lot of your posts. It seems you and I follow many of the same approaches. I understand your lower body is giving you issues right now but I was curious what your “typical” week of training would look like, assuming no lower body problems. I would private message you but, of course, that is no longer available. The more specific, the better.
Thanks, buddy.

PS – don’t mean to derail the post. Sorry.


JMaier31 Rehab Log
#7

I feel that, I’d describe myself as a similar lifter. The only time I can grind a rep is if I get off to such a good start it carries the weight halfway through the sticking point.

If this were me, I’d dedicate my second pressing day to something that got me jazzed up about lifting that day for like 3-week blocks at a time. That could be overload methods, star complexes, straight bodybuilding work, whatever tickles your fancy ya know?

How close are you to 315 now?


#8

I haven’t maxed in a while. I finally managed to get 275 for my 2RM this week. I’d guess that I could put up about 285 or 290 right now if I was fresh.

I have lots of good ideas for good workouts, but I don’t want to overdo it and take away from the results I’d get from the Layers program. I never have a problem with doing too little. I’m hoping to find the optimal choice.


#9

275 is legit man, nice work!

I hear ya though, and I’m certainly not qualified to be giving advice - I’ll leave that to the pro here :sweat_smile:

Keep us updated on how it goes and what you decide to do, it’s good stuff for slacking off at work on a Friday!