http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_361436.html
This just infuriates me to no end. I would think people would be more worried and the imminent collapse of South Africa’s infrastructure since Apartheid ended than this bullshit.
Who are South Africans allowed to sue over the decrease in quality of life since Apartheid ended??
Poor IBM, huh? First all that fuss about the Hollerith machines, and now this.
[quote]Ren wrote:
Who are South Africans allowed to sue over the decrease in quality of life since Apartheid ended??[/quote]
Well, they could start with the African National Congress…
[quote]Ren wrote:
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_361436.html
This just infuriates me to no end. I would think people would be more worried and the imminent collapse of South Africa’s infrastructure since Apartheid ended than this bullshit.
Who are South Africans allowed to sue over the decrease in quality of life since Apartheid ended??[/quote]
Apartheid was a bit more than just “decreased quality of life”
having the flu or anal rash would fit that.
institutionalized racism/oppression is a few steps higher than that.
[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
Apartheid was a bit more than just “decreased quality of life”
having the flu or anal rash would fit that.
institutionalized racism/oppression is a few steps higher than that.[/quote]
You’re missing the point.
The decrease in quality of life in South Africa that Ren is referring to is the one that’s occurred since the abolition of Apartheid.
To say that South Africa’s new masters are driving the country into the same abyss currently occupied by Zimbabwe would be a bit of an overstatement (Mbeki is no Mugabe), but they’re definitely plotting a similar course.
The fact that white landowners still have their farms, their guns, and their lives is an encouraging sign, as is the fact that there have been few incidents of racially-motivated revenge for Apartheid, or “white flight” out of the country.
However, South Africa’s problems–staggering corruption and crime, including one of the highest per-capita murder rates in the world, massive unemployment, and the highest rates of AIDS infection in the world-- are not ones that are going to be solved simply by instituting “one man, one vote,” changing the flag, and filling the seats of power with black backsides.
Of course, it’s Ren’s country, not mine, so I’ll let him correct me if I’m wrong.
[quote]Ren wrote:
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_361436.html
This just infuriates me to no end. I would think people would be more worried and the imminent collapse of South Africa’s infrastructure since Apartheid ended than this bullshit.
Who are South Africans allowed to sue over the decrease in quality of life since Apartheid ended??[/quote]
I don’t see how they are mutually exclusive. They are suing foreign companies in U.S. court for fostering institutionlized racism for profit, something they can’t do but probably would in their own country if possible. How is this preventing them from also focusing on solving South Africa’s very real problems?
Regardless of what you will read, non-whites in South Africa still enjoyed the highest quality of life in Africa during apartheid. They paid no taxes, had the largest hospital built in the Southern Hemisphere to exclusively service them (Baragwanath Hospital in Soweto). Where they received free healthcare.
They also had free education and there were non-white people that received doctorates through South African universities.
The non-white population also swelled from approx 2mil in 1900 to 40mil in 1990.
Maybe the world would have been happier had we gone the way of the Americans, Australians, and Spanish and just went for wholesale genocide??
Life expectancy was over a decade higher in apartheid, the murder rate was non-existent, as was crime.
A lot of this changed when the ANC were no longer banned from the country. But what more can you expect from communist-trained terrorists who killed MORE OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE IN APARTHEID THAN THE GOVERNMENT DID.
Read that last bit clearly. Then read it again.
So that is a bit of back story.
As to solving south africa’s real problems? Well, that takes an understanding of the current mindset. And that mindset involves something along the lines of “white people don’t belong here, their possessions are rightfully our possessions” so on and so forth.
Every major industry where the ANC has used cadre deployment (that is put its cronies in charge) has been plagued with corruption, waste, and mismanagement.
And the easiest way to keep themselves in power is with the constant reminder of apartheid, and the rumor that white people want power back to re-instigate apartheid.
The people in charge of South Africa DO NOT WANT to focus on the real problems, because then they would be implicated (in most cases criminally) for its steady decline.
The most dangerous job in the world right now is to be a white farmer in South Africa.
So if you read this and see someone cheering on apartheid and wishing for the oppression of a different group on people, then you can’t read. Apartheid had to end at some point. Unfortunately the world wanted it to happen sooner rather than later and we are now in the mess we’re in because of that.
oh yeah…this is the guy that is going to be running the country after the election’s this week:
Currently my only hope is that the DA (an opposition party) wins control of the Western Cape (they currently control Cape Town), so people can see how quickly things improve when the ANC is not involved
[quote]Ren wrote:
Regardless of what you will read, non-whites in South Africa still enjoyed the highest quality of life in Africa during apartheid. [/quote]
Those ungrateful indigenous Africans never seem to thank the colonialists for civilizing them.
What’s up with that?
[quote]Ren wrote:
oh yeah…this is the guy that is going to be running the country after the election’s this week:[/quote]
Yeah, I’d say that the Republic has come down a bit in terms of presidential quality. Bound to happen, really. What a shame.
What the fuck are those festooning Zuma’s loincloth, meercat tails? Do PETA and Animal Planet know about this man?
[quote]Ren wrote:
So if you read this and see someone cheering on apartheid and wishing for the oppression of a different group on people, then you can’t read. Apartheid had to end at some point. Unfortunately the world wanted it to happen sooner rather than later and we are now in the mess we’re in because of that.[/quote]
I take your point, it’s the same one made about Rhodesia. But I don’t see at all how ending appartheid “sooner rather than later” made the situation any worse. Was there going to be a great flowering of technocratic, incorruptible black politicians and civil servants after another decade of brutal minority rule?
[quote]Ren wrote:
So if you read this and see someone cheering on apartheid and wishing for the oppression of a different group on people, then you can’t read. Apartheid had to end at some point. Unfortunately the world wanted it to happen sooner rather than later and we are now in the mess we’re in because of that.[/quote]
It was just that it ended sooner. And there would’ve been the same growing pains and ensuing mess of an aftermatch if it ended 100 years from now. They were inevitable.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Ren wrote:
So if you read this and see someone cheering on apartheid and wishing for the oppression of a different group on people, then you can’t read. Apartheid had to end at some point. Unfortunately the world wanted it to happen sooner rather than later and we are now in the mess we’re in because of that.
I take your point, it’s the same one made about Rhodesia. But I don’t see at all how ending appartheid “sooner rather than later” made the situation any worse. Was there going to be a great flowering of technocratic, incorruptible black politicians and civil servants after another decade of brutal minority rule?[/quote]
History has shown that brutal majority rule is seldom preferable to brutal minority rule, particularly when the brutes in the majority are more brutish than the brutes in the minority.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Ren wrote:
So if you read this and see someone cheering on apartheid and wishing for the oppression of a different group on people, then you can’t read. Apartheid had to end at some point. Unfortunately the world wanted it to happen sooner rather than later and we are now in the mess we’re in because of that.
I take your point, it’s the same one made about Rhodesia. But I don’t see at all how ending appartheid “sooner rather than later” made the situation any worse. Was there going to be a great flowering of technocratic, incorruptible black politicians and civil servants after another decade of brutal minority rule?
History has shown that brutal majority rule is seldom preferable to brutal minority rule, particularly when the brutes in the majority are more brutish than the brutes in the minority.[/quote]
You actually think that’s the case in South Africa today?
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
You actually think that’s the case in South Africa today?[/quote]
I think Ren is more qualified to answer that than I or anyone else who hasn’t actually lived there. As I said, South Africa is no Zimbabwe, but it very easily could become one.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
You actually think that’s the case in South Africa today?
I think Ren is more qualified to answer that than I or anyone else who hasn’t actually lived there. As I said, South Africa is no Zimbabwe, but it very easily could become one.[/quote]
Agreed, but I think the perspectives of a white and black South African today, especially if he lived through apartheid, are going to be very different.
Here’s what one group of South Africans have to say about the matter. Granted, they’re probably white, and therefore biased, but it’s an enlightening read nonetheless. What’s worse than institutionalized racism? Read on.
Ten years after Apartheid (1994-2004)
Here are the things you will never see in the major news media regarding post-apartheid South Africa:
In 10 years over one million South Africans, mostly blacks, lost their jobs due to the ANC’s creeping socialism.
Unemployment is at a staggering 45%+ - much worse than under white rule & worse than the 30% unemployment in the USA during the Great Depression.
1 million whites stand to lose their jobs in the coming years to Affirmative Action programs.
Over 1,450 White commercial farmers have been murdered by black thugs and our food production is being threatened by “Land Reform”.
Experts predict that by 2014, 30% of commercial farmland now owned by Whites will be owned by Blacks (though I think it will happen much sooner & on a much bigger scale).
115,000 land claims by Blacks have been processed so far - and millions of hectares of land have been handed over to them.
There are farms in South Africa, which were prosperous when run by Whites, that were handed over to Blacks. These farms then collapsed after 2 years of black management and are now derelict.
South Africa is the rape capital of the world… it is conservatively estimated that we have 50,000 rapes per year.
21,500 children were raped in 2000.
40% of rape survivors are under 18.
1,231 children under 5 were raped in 13 months by blacks believing in AIDS myths. Many babies who are raped die.
South Africa is now an international drug-smuggling route, comparable to Colombia.
We export cannabis grown overwhelmingly by Blacks.
150-200 policemen are shot dead annually by violent criminals.
Our police have the highest suicide rate in the world.
Our society is 7 times more violent (per capita) than the USA
Crime is so high the government put a moratorium on the release of crime statistics for a year and fudged them ever since.
The Democratic Alliance (conservatively) estimates there are 300,000 robberies per year
South African prisons are often filled to capacity (170,000+) and then thousands are let go, sometimes without being charged.
In January 2004, it was reported that some of the prisons are 300% over capacity.
In March 2004, it was reported that the prison population was 180,000.
Mandela’s “Birthday Present” to the country (yes they used those words), was to release 9,000 criminals.
Murderers have been “forgiven” by our Presidents, only to murder again.
On 3rd March 2004, on SABC TV3 News it was announced that to “Celebrate Ten Years of Democracy” they might let thousands of prisoners go free.
More prisons have been built after apartheid but even that is not enough to cope with the crime wave.
More blacks are in our prisons after apartheid than before. (They no longer fear the Police).
The ANC LOVES criminals. They gave them the vote! It was announced that over 100,000 prisoners would be registered & allowed to vote
* We had 10 years of peace, with no international sanctions and yet, the much-awaited boom never came along.
Our socialist economy dribbles along. GDP growth is estimated at 1.3% per annum which compares weakly with (sometimes) double digit growth rates under white rule.
In the Johannesburg (Gauteng) area, 80% of self-help schemes for Blacks have failed since 1994.
Let there be no illusions where the ANC wants to take us. They support & give money to: Zimbabwe, Haiti & DRC (Zaire) who are ruled by socialist dictators who suppress even the Blacks!
In the April 2004 election the ANC finally attained its goal of getting 66% vote. This means they can change the constitution at will and no other political party can stop them.
This is what Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe was able to do before he took 95% of the land from 4,500 white farmers.
* Now that we are officially, and legally the latest One Party State in Africa, we will walk the path of others like Zimbabwe where eventually nobody, not even the Blacks, have any freedom any more…
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
And that’s bad because…?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
And that’s bad because…?[/quote]
south African weed? no bueno
sounds like it would be on par with mexican brick weed.
what varqanir posted is pretty accurate…except the farmer deaths are closer to 3000.
South Africa joined the rest of Africa in becoming a food importer last year…first time in modern history. Even with about 15% of our land being farmable, South Africa for the longest time was one of the few African countries able to export food…compare us to Zimbabe, Mozambique, or Malawi which have much more farmable land available and you can see that is not a bad feat.
And on the criminals voting…the ANC refused up until this year’s elections to let South Africans living abroad vote. One of the political parties had to take them to court to get it done.
Also, over half of the ANC’s members of parliament are convicted criminals.
In South Africa, a murderer has a 10% chance of being caught, and a %5 chance of ending up in jail.
Emigrating was the best thing my family ever did.