Personally, I would include the caber (but not a liquid version) AS i SUSPECT THAT PROLACTIN CAN BE HARD TO DISPLACE FROM THE HYPOTHALAMUS, LEADING TO POST CYCLE hpta INHIBITION AND (sodding CAPS, sorry about that, please ignore) reduced libido.
If it were me, I would definitely want to eliminate the prolactin. Selegeline might also work, though not as effectively. It is however, cheaper than caber I believe.
Ok. So Should I run an AI and the caber at the same time? Lets say a month or so? I figure 4 weeks is enough to relinquish the effects of the prolactin? And then run the 40/40/30/20 PCT? Or would this no longer be needed? I know that running an AI by itself would lower my Test levels and that since I am coming off the Test E they are going to diminish anyways. I know that running the nolva will restore my Test levels but will counteract with the AI making it useless.[/quote]
OK… lets sort this out. I too agree (in light of BBB’s response) that it cant hurt to add Caber (it is dosed at 0.5mg 2x/wk).
An AI will NOT lower test levels, it will actually serve to increase them, and the same way a SERM (Tamoxifen) helps to recover the HPTA, an AI will too.
SERM’s dont make AI’s ‘useless’ - but they are estrogens.[quote]
This is confusing as hell.
But I am thinking something like this:
Week 1-2: 1mg of adex ed
Week 3-4: .5mg of adex ed
then the normal 40/40/30/20 PCT with nolva
I do not know how much caber to use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.[/quote]
There is no need to run 4 weeks of AI and caber THEN PCT.
There are a few options;
- Run your SERM PCT with Caber alongside it for the next 4 weeks… then off totally.
- Use an AI as your PCT drug, and add Caber (adex would be dosed accordingly)
- Use an AI for 1-2 weeks between the last shot and PCT, THEN run a SERM PCT - with caber throughout the AI and SERM usage.
- Use an AI for 1-2 weeks between the last shot and PCT, THEN run PCT with the AI - with caber throughout.
The choice depends on where you are in the cycle. If you have just done the last inject of a long acting test (enanth/cyp/sust) then you will need to wait for 2-3 weeks before being able to get the most from PCT.
Either way Caber would be commenced immediately.
I personally would run a SERM PCT with Caber used from today till possibly 1-2weeks post PCT.
Do you even have any AI or Caber? I wouldn’t have expected you would as you would have avoided this issue in the beginning.
If you are lanning to order some online, you will likely need to wait a week - and in that case, the best you could do would be to discontinue injections, use 20mg Nolvadex for 2 weeks or so (depending on ester) and then commencing your PCT with the SERM - adding the Caber as it arrives.