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Kratom Users?

Anyone ever use this stuff? I just heard about and it’s legal. Here are the alleged benefits:

1. Stimulatory: In small amounts, Kratom is energizing like a cup of caffeinated tea or coffee. The energy produced is not correlated with restlessness or an increase in your heart rate. Most reports describe it as a cerebral energy where you feel like your mind is clearer, you experience deep focus and have a balanced sense of vigor and vitality.

 
2. Mood Boosting: Most users say that Kratom is very uplifting to your mood and cognitive state. Another effect of this plant is that it can cause you to feel a sense of deep contentment and well-being. One dosing per day can block out negative thoughts and put you in an optimistic frame of mind where anything can see m possible. In larger doses, Kratom powder can generate highly euphoric feelings. This is likely the result of the mitragynine alkaloid which has been found to exhibit anti-depressant qualities.
  1. Enhances Concentration: Another effect of Kratom is as an intense focus booster or a nootropic. The white and green strains of Kratom are particularly effective for counteracting brain fog and helping you to focus all of your mental energy on the present moment. Students say it makes them feel more attentive when sitting in class and husbands have said it helps them to be more attentive when listening to their wives. There are reviews from users who say it improved ADD/ADHD symptoms, makes thoughts clearer and makes it easier to concentrate when studying or engaging in difficult mental work.

  2. Potent Relaxant: As you use larger doses of Kratom leaves or capsules, it produces more of an anxiolytic and sedative effect. While supporting a positive mood, it can also calm you down and help you rid your mind of stressful thoughts. This supplement can also reduce feelings of nervousness and help you release both mental and physical tension.

  3. Analgesic (Pain Reduction): Mitragyna Speciosa has been proposed as an effective alternative to harsh prescription pain killers. It activates mu-opioid receptors just like the drug morphine to relieve temporary or chronic pain. It has been reported to work for conditions as wide-ranging as headaches or migraines, arthritic pain, vascular pain, muscle pain as well as even chronic pain that may be resistant to other drugs. The effects of Kratom are also viewed as much safer and less addictive than some of the stronger medications currently prescribed by doctors.

  4. Improves Sleep: Another favored effect of Kratom is that it is one of the best natural herbs for improving sleep quality. It can serve to shut off your mind before going to bed and can put you into a restful state which makes it easier to fall asleep. Some reviewers say they experience more dreams when using Kratom as a sleep aid and that they tend to wake feeling more refreshed and ready to go the next morning.

  5. Heightens Sociability: A further byproduct of Kratom usage is that it can make you more social and eliminate anxiety when meeting strangers or talking to large groups of people. It can even increase your enjoyment of social interactions so you are more compelled to go out and partake in various social events.

  6. Sexual Enhancer: There are a lot of reports from individuals taking Kratom extracts as aphrodisiacs and sexual performance enhancers. This ethnobotanical may heighten arousal sensations and enable you to last longer during the act. It seems to work as a sexual excitant both for men and women. Sometimes taking as little as 1 gram of Bali Kratom powder can boost your libido for as much as 12 hours.

  7. Heightens Sociability: A further byproduct of Kratom usage is that it can make you more social and eliminate anxiety when meeting strangers or talking to large groups of people. It can even increase your enjoyment of social interactions so you are more compelled to go out and partake in various social events.

  8. Sexual Enhancer: There are a lot of reports from individuals taking Kratom extracts as aphrodisiacs and sexual performance enhancers. This ethnobotanical may heighten arousal sensations and enable you to last longer during the act. It seems to work as a sexual excitant both for men and women. Sometimes taking as little as 1 gram of Bali Kratom powder can boost your libido for as much as 12 hours.

  9. Eases Opiate Withdrawal: This Kratom effect may not apply to many of our readers, but it is one of the quickly growing uses for this natural compound. For those who are addicted to opiates or who want to cut back on their opiate habit without experiencing withdrawal, Kratom offers serious help. It is said to mask the effects of withdrawal from opiates and other illegal drugs which is often characterized by excessive perspiration, vomiting, muscle pains, insomnia, anxiety and diarrhea. Using Kratom leaves, one can control their dependence on these drugs until your system is fully detoxed. Since Kratom is not addictive, you can then stop using it without the same risk of withdrawal.

  10. Promotes Health: Kratom has been used for hundreds of years by Southeast Asian cultures as a medicinal herb. These populations have identified a variety of general health benefits associated with Kratom. It is a powerful anti-oxidant that has even been found to reduce neuron damage following a stroke. It can lower blood pressure and it naturally contains an alkaloid commonly used in anti-hypertensive medicines. It also contains Catechin which is said to mimic insulin and control blood sugar levels for diabetics. Other effects of Kratom include anti-viral and anti-bacterial properties that can boost your immune system. Finally, some have found it to promote weight loss and improve athleticism by increasing energy metabolism.

The stuff is 100% addictive and you will have withdrawals if you use it too much, just like an opiate. If you are opiate intolerant, you will get a nice high from it. If you have experience with opiates, it most likely wont do a damn thing.

[quote]joemomma wrote:
The stuff is 100% addictive and you will have withdrawals if you use it too much, just like an opiate. If you are opiate intolerant, you will get a nice high from it. If you have experience with opiates, it most likely wont do a damn thing. [/quote]
This sounds about right.

I would look into tianeptine.

[quote]joemomma wrote:
The stuff is 100% addictive and you will have withdrawals if you use it too much, just like an opiate. If you are opiate intolerant, you will get a nice high from it. If you have experience with opiates, it most likely wont do a damn thing. [/quote]

But does it have the same negative side effects as your typical synthetic opiate?

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]joemomma wrote:
The stuff is 100% addictive and you will have withdrawals if you use it too much, just like an opiate. If you are opiate intolerant, you will get a nice high from it. If you have experience with opiates, it most likely wont do a damn thing. [/quote]
This sounds about right.

I would look into tianeptine.[/quote]

Have you used it? What is it like?

I would look into tianeptine.[/quote]

Have you used it? What is it like?
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Bump. I have heard a lot lately about Kratom and very little about Tianeptine. Google search gives a little research and general info, but not much actual experience details on the tianeptine…

I’m going to give this stuff a shot. Always enjoyed trying new drugs

Used it some years ago to try. I found it to be numbing, with a feel-good feeling that last less than 1,5 hour and leaving you with a mild hangover the next day. Some varieties are more stimulant than sedative. The closest thing is codeine I think but codeine is more potent with more body sensations.

Preparation sucks, taste and smell sucks, and tolerance build very fast… Very addictive, because sometimes it lasts less than 45 minutes…

Some people seem to experience an anxiolytic effect and more empathy, but it was not the case for me.

I’ve had no personal experience but my older brother used this as a study aid and to relieve his social anxiety. He gradually became tolerant and eventually was dosing it so heavily that he needed to be hospitalized and spend a stint in rehab due to the withdrawal and habit he had formed.

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]joemomma wrote:
The stuff is 100% addictive and you will have withdrawals if you use it too much, just like an opiate. If you are opiate intolerant, you will get a nice high from it. If you have experience with opiates, it most likely wont do a damn thing. [/quote]
This sounds about right.

I would look into tianeptine.[/quote]

Have you used it? What is it like?
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no, I have not. I heard it is kind of ‘the thing’ now, though :P. Only negative I’ve heard is the half-life which makes you have to re-dose 2-3x a day.

Would this be correct? “Tianeptine creates a happy energized feeling and the red vein borneo kratom creates the melt into the couch feeling”.

[quote]Yogi wrote:
I’m going to give this stuff a shot. Always enjoyed trying new drugs[/quote]

Please update us if you do try it.

[quote]Yogi wrote:
I’m going to give this stuff a shot. Always enjoyed trying new drugs[/quote]

Did you try the Kratom? Feedback?

Bump

I finally got around to buying some will try it this week.

They just talking about this on rogans podcast, raj , with chris bell , if i could find something to curb drinking im in , i also had panic attacks if this could help , let me know.

That’s where I got reminded of the stuff!

Tried it today, it’s a mild stimulant, gave me good focus. I guess the best way to describe it would be coffee minus the jitters.

I’m not going to pretend as though I have any clue if this will help with something like panic attacks or lessen urges to consume alcohol but I will say it does boost your mood.

It also dehydrates the hell out of you and tastes terrible. I don’t personally care about taste, but if you do keep in mind this stuff mixes terribly and you’ll probably have to blend it into a protein shake as it won’t simply dissolve by shaking or stirring.

I just scooped a teaspoon into my mouth, it basically coated the inside of my mouth and then I swished around with water.

I don’t know how addicting this stuff is, but I can tell you it’s 3am and I feel like taking more. I will probably get through the 4 ounces I bought then take a 6 week break minimum.

I experimented with this stuff many years ago in my partying days, I can’t remember the doses but it was basically like mini-heroin. Also made everyone I know projectile vomit and put my wife (then girlfriend) in the hospital for 3 days when her liver started shutting down. Again, these were “recreational” doses so perhaps a smaller dose is less harmful.

With all that, the worse part of it was the taste. I read somewhere that how bad something taste should be rated from 1 (good) to Kratom (makes you want to die), I’d agree with that assessment completely.

I’ve never heard of this, my guess is you are mixing drugs and blaming kratom.

The worst side effect I’ve read are people experiencing their liver values increase as their bodies find it toxic.

Nah, no mixing. Everyone is different, I didn’t have any problems with it nor did any of the other people I knew who took it. It almost killed her, that’s the way it goes sometimes with unregulated, untested, natural products. You never know.