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Kony 2012

Anyone else had this going round their Facebook all day?

What do you all think

I wrote an article about it like a ‘proper’ journalist as well too!

Wow, a civil war going on in Africa? Who knew!

but seriously, millions of people don’t know what the hell is going on over there (oblivious) and other parts of the world. It’s sad that people are so ill-informed as well. People just want to be part of something to make themselves feel better. I can imagine 95% of the fb population who posted about the kony2012 won’t do anything more than beyond fb status and sharing the video.

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Wow, a civil war going on in Africa? Who knew!

but seriously, millions of people don’t know what the hell is going on over there (oblivious) and other parts of the world. It’s sad that people are so ill-informed as well. People just want to be part of something to make themselves feel better. I can imagine 95% of the fb population who posted about the kony2012 won’t do anything more than beyond fb status and sharing the video. [/quote]

Agreed. A bunch of upper middle class white kids who want to pretend like they’re activists or something. this has been going on for 20 some odd years and nobody has noticed. i also kind of thought while i was watching the video, that those same people demanding government action against Kony are the exact same people who complain about the U.S. being world police.

Agree with both previous sentiments- but upper class white kids IF they actually donate or help out will make a huge difference. I’ll fully admit I fit the bill, hadn’t even heard of them guy by name until this all blew up, whether or not that makes me ignorant, as a 20 year old I am trying to become… less ignorant.

After working as a charity fundraiser for 4 months, I’m definitely appreciative of work like this. I also love/study film and enjoyed the mini-docu.

[quote]jake_j_m wrote:
upper class white kids IF they actually donate or help out will make a huge difference.[/quote]

Doubtful.
http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble

The charity responsible here seems to be comprised entirely of Upper class white kids with delusions of grandeur.
From the Charities accounts, of the $8,676,614 spent last year only 32% was actually used to benefit anyone with the remainder spent on wages, travel and internal expenses. For example the guy who made the video receives a standard salary of $90,000 a year (not including the cost of actually making the video).

Clearly Kony is scum and I agree with the idea of getting rid of him, even though he hasn’t been active in Uganda for a number of years but the current campaign by Invisible Children seems largely motivated by self interest.

And for the record, here is a pic of the founders of Invisible Children posing with AK’s with the Sudan PLA.

Wil Wheaton wrote something about it saying he researched it as being shady.

Hmm? Another retarded facebook fad? You dont say.

On Kony 2012: I honestly wanted to stay as far away as possible from KONY 2012, the latest fauxtivist fad sweeping the web (remember “change your Facebook profile pic to stop child abuse”?), but you...

You might say he puts the infant back in infantry

[quote]therajraj wrote:
You might say he puts the infant back in infantry[/quote]

God damn you…that’s fucked up. Funny, but fucked up.

[quote]roon12 wrote:

[quote]jake_j_m wrote:
upper class white kids IF they actually donate or help out will make a huge difference.[/quote]

Doubtful.
http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble

The charity responsible here seems to be comprised entirely of Upper class white kids with delusions of grandeur.
From the Charities accounts, of the $8,676,614 spent last year only 32% was actually used to benefit anyone with the remainder spent on wages, travel and internal expenses. For example the guy who made the video receives a standard salary of $90,000 a year (not including the cost of actually making the video).

Clearly Kony is scum and I agree with the idea of getting rid of him, even though he hasn’t been active in Uganda for a number of years but the current campaign by Invisible Children seems largely motivated by self interest.

And for the record, here is a pic of the founders of Invisible Children posing with AK’s with the Sudan PLA.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-PnDZmngAhM/Sa_KBGNySiI/AAAAAAAAAJY/uBOfiAysghs/s1600-h/IMG_2941.JPG[/quote]

Their teenage-esque angst is palpable.

Facebook is overrun with this BS…I was really hoping it wouldn’t creep up on TNation. Since it has, shouldn’t it be in PWI?

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Wow, a civil war going on in Africa? Who knew!

but seriously, millions of people don’t know what the hell is going on over there (oblivious) and other parts of the world. It’s sad that people are so ill-informed as well. People just want to be part of something to make themselves feel better. I can imagine 95% of the fb population who posted about the kony2012 won’t do anything more than beyond fb status and sharing the video. [/quote]

What do you want them to do about it?

I mean really whats the problem? Bunch of grumpy mofos up in here. Yeah so kids are getting informed about something that they didnt know about that had been going on for 20 years and they’re using social media to make policymakers give enough of a shit to do something about it. This guy is #1 on the ICC list way over Qaddafi and yet we do nothing (as a government) but we are all over Qaddafi?

Why? Resources, plain and simple. Sure there may be underlying things with the charity to examine deeper but people using the interwebz for something semi-positive (as in raising the awareness to finally go after an evil fuck) and people want to bitch and complain? sheesh…

[quote]storey420 wrote:
I mean really whats the problem? Bunch of grumpy mofos up in here. Yeah so kids are getting informed about something that they didnt know about that had been going on for 20 years and they’re using social media to make policymakers give enough of a shit to do something about it. This guy is #1 on the ICC list way over Qaddafi and yet we do nothing (as a government) but we are all over Qaddafi?

Why? Resources, plain and simple. Sure there may be underlying things with the charity to examine deeper but people using the interwebz for something semi-positive (as in raising the awareness to finally go after an evil fuck) and people want to bitch and complain? sheesh…[/quote]

In delivering your very smart opinion, you’ve conveniently overlooked the fact that the united states has been operating very quietly in the area for some time now, and several attempts on kony’s life have been made unsuccessfully. don’t be like all the others. do some research for God’s sake. the point of that video is to take advantage of people’s emotion to get them to blindly support the charity and donate money (and a highly questionable charity it is). please don’t fall victim yourself.

Don’t worry I won’t “fall victim”

My point is that they are raising awareness and if that means more action to start working our way through the list of top criminals, awesome. Disposing this guy is actually a more noble cause for the American way as we truly have no vested interests like most everyone else we go after. If the world cries out and says help us stop this senseless violence, then there will be no cries of us playing world police to protect financial interests.

You don’t have to donate money to this cause but forwarding the message along raises more awareness which makes policymakers more apt to actually do more. Its not like these people haven’t been out on the road beating the drum on this for years prior to this video going viral.

I researched to organization and decided I didn’t want to contribute to it financially (beyond my tax dollars going to support the military advisers, that is). Point of the video is to raise awareness and yes funds to continue their cause. Doesnt mean they arent doing good things. People are bitching because only 32% went to Uganda, how much of the people that are bitching’s income did?

[quote]storey420 wrote:
Don’t worry I won’t “fall victim”

My point is that they are raising awareness and if that means more action to start working our way through the list of top criminals, awesome. Disposing this guy is actually a more noble cause for the American way as we truly have no vested interests like most everyone else we go after. If the world cries out and says help us stop this senseless violence, then there will be no cries of us playing world police to protect financial interests. [/quote]

The ‘awareness’ is largely about the video-making skills of IC, rather than the actual issue. If you watch the viral video it is mostly emotional pornography, with very little actual information. Secondly what will ‘awareness’ do? Does it come with a plane ticket to Africa and an AK-47?
Yes getting rid of Joseph Kony is a good idea but why now? Why not 10 or 15 years ago?

Simply capturing/killing Kony will do little to ease the tension in the area, it is deeply embedded in Ugandaâ??s history and will not be solved with the killing of one man.

As for no vested interests, bullshit. See ‘Operation Lightning Thunder’ in 2008, the 2010 anti-Kony legislation and the deployment of ground troops in October. Also coincidental that this surge of popularity happens right before an election no?

[quote]
You don’t have to donate money to this cause but forwarding the message along raises more awareness which makes policymakers more apt to actually do more. Its not like these people haven’t been out on the road beating the drum on this for years prior to this video going viral. [/quote]

No you don’t have to donate money, but it is strongly suggested and implied in the materials available. It simply panders to the middle class need to assuage self-imposed guilt by liking a status and buying a wristband.

[quote]
I researched to organization and decided I didn’t want to contribute to it financially (beyond my tax dollars going to support the military advisers, that is). Point of the video is to raise awareness and yes funds to continue their cause. Doesnt mean they arent doing good things. People are bitching because only 32% went to Uganda, how much of the people that are bitching’s income did? [/quote]

Yes, the video raises awareness, but predominantly of the charity itself and aims to provide themselves with more money.

Finally, the solution proposed by these guys is laughable. Firstly they support military action by allying themselves with the Ugandan Army, who themselves have questionable ethics, so their argument is to save these child soldiers by launching an all out attack on them? Sounds logical. They also fail to account for the inevitable revenge attacks and subsequent slaughter.

Recently the charity have come out and suggested that Kony will surrender, ‘because we put man on the moon’, that is their logical reasoning why a man who has held his position for 20 years will suddenly decide to surrender. They seem to be clueless do-gooders out to be the heroes and make a name for themselves.

“Yes getting rid of Joseph Kony is a good idea but why now? Why not 10 or 15 years ago?”

I just dont understand this at all. People have been lobbying and trying to raise awareness for YEARS. Clearly they thought it was worthwhile years ago. Besides the main point is getting momentum going NOW, so yeah would’ve been great years ago but better late than never right? and granted there is way more work to be done than killing one man, lots of wounds to heal and rebuilding but its a start right? Why are we so “get em” with Saddam and willing to not even look twice at where the money is going for that debacle (until its too late) but then all over this like a shitstorm like they’ve done something really wrong?

[quote]storey420 wrote:
“Yes getting rid of Joseph Kony is a good idea but why now? Why not 10 or 15 years ago?”

I just dont understand this at all. People have been lobbying and trying to raise awareness for YEARS. Clearly they thought it was worthwhile years ago. Besides the main point is getting momentum going NOW, so yeah would’ve been great years ago but better late than never right? and granted there is way more work to be done than killing one man, lots of wounds to heal and rebuilding but its a start right? Why are we so “get em” with Saddam and willing to not even look twice at where the money is going for that debacle (until its too late) but then all over this like a shitstorm like they’ve done something really wrong?
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Yeah, getting rid of him years ago would have been great, but some of these posts seem to indicate we’ve missed the boat so fuck it, do nothing… I say better late then never.

I’d like somebody to set up a bounty pool, not just for this cock sucker, but for all the cocksuckers in africa doing this sort of thing. I’d call it ‘Big game Hunting’ and I would donate.

[quote]storey420 wrote:
“Yes getting rid of Joseph Kony is a good idea but why now? Why not 10 or 15 years ago?”

I just dont understand this at all. People have been lobbying and trying to raise awareness for YEARS. Clearly they thought it was worthwhile years ago. Besides the main point is getting momentum going NOW, so yeah would’ve been great years ago but better late than never right? and granted there is way more work to be done than killing one man, lots of wounds to heal and rebuilding but its a start right? Why are we so “get em” with Saddam and willing to not even look twice at where the money is going for that debacle (until its too late) but then all over this like a shitstorm like they’ve done something really wrong?
[/quote]

I think that is poor wording on my part.

I was referring to the sudden mass influx of Facebook statuses and Twitter posts etc along the lines of ‘OMG Stop Kony’ or something similar. Almost none of the people posting this stuff will do anything except that, it’s armchair activism, allowing people to feel that they are ‘making a difference’ while in reality accomplishing very little.

Further I was referring to the specific ‘KONY 2012’ campaign. Why launch a large social media campaign now as opposed to any other time?

My main issue with the charity is that their motives seem to be more self-centered than actually concerned with positive action. There are a number of interviews with Ugandans on various news sites, all condemning the charity and in some cases taking offence at the name. I have yet to see any Ugandan support for the campaign.

Enough said:

http://imgur.com/K3mgn