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Killing 170 Servicemen

I miss the good old days…if some country, like Iran, killed American soldiers, we’d be blasting the bastards.

Now, its: “Let’s talk. Let’s negotiate.
Please Mr. Ahmani-jihad, please stop killing our servicemen. Come over for tea and cookies and let’s chat.”

Aren’t there any MEN in Washington any longer? Are all the men gone and we now have jellyfish, worried about their poll numbers?

What a bunch of plain, outright and goddammed cowards!

Soon, our military will have enough of this bullshit and take over this country, from the Al Gore (Mr. Rock Star) crowd and the snakes (Hillary, Nancy, Murtha, and other such scum.)

Good fucking riddance!!!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I miss the good old days…if some country, like Iran, killed American soldiers, we’d be blasting the bastards.

Now, its: “Let’s talk. Let’s negotiate.
Please Mr. Ahmani-jihad, please stop killing our servicemen. Come over for tea and cookies and let’s chat.”

Aren’t there any MEN in Washington any longer? Are all the men gone and we now have jellyfish, worried about their poll numbers?

What a bunch of plain, outright and goddammed cowards!

Soon, our military will have enough of this bullshit and take over this country, from the Al Gore (Mr. Rock Star) crowd and the snakes (Hillary, Nancy, Murtha, and other such scum.)

Good fucking riddance!!!
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Remember 241 Marines, sailors and soldiers dying in Beirut? Remember how both China and Russia supplied the NVA and the VC? Hezbollah, Iran, the USSR and China were not punished in any real way for that, certainly not with the threat of real war. Nothing has changed. It sucks, but it’s reality.

A few more like this one, and you’ll regain the “T-Nation’s Chief Resident Kook” Championship Belt from Juan Blando.

Come on, you can do it! I’m rooting for you.

Maliki says he wants to start diplomatic initiatives with Iran. Iranians are sending weapons and personnel into Iraq. This is killing US soldiers. That had ALWAYS been considered an act of war.

Now Rice says the U.S. will join Iraq in these diplomatic talks with Iran.

Who the fuck is running our foreign policy, us or Maliki?

[quote]derek wrote:
Maliki says he wants to start diplomatic initiatives with Iran. Iranians are sending weapons and personnel into Iraq. This is killing US soldiers. That had ALWAYS been considered an act of war.

Now Rice says the U.S. will join Iraq in these diplomatic talks with Iran.

Who the fuck is running our foreign policy, us or Maliki? [/quote]

The better question is who the fuck is running Maliki. Unfortunately, a look at the membership of the ruling UIA party gives the answer nobody wants.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I miss the good old days…if some country, like Iran, killed American soldiers, we’d be blasting the bastards.

Now, its: “Let’s talk. Let’s negotiate.
Please Mr. Ahmani-jihad, please stop killing our servicemen. Come over for tea and cookies and let’s chat.”

Aren’t there any MEN in Washington any longer? Are all the men gone and we now have jellyfish, worried about their poll numbers?

What a bunch of plain, outright and goddammed cowards!

Soon, our military will have enough of this bullshit and take over this country, from the Al Gore (Mr. Rock Star) crowd and the snakes (Hillary, Nancy, Murtha, and other such scum.)

Good fucking riddance!!!
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Perhaps I’m not really up-to-date, but last time I checked your precious Bush was sqautting in the white house.

So if the military really took over, they wouldn’t take over from Al Gore or Hillary, they would be taking over from Bush and Cheney, wouldn’t they?

Why are you so desperate HH? Don’t you know Bush’s masterplan will kick in soon and democracy will spread throughout the middle east like bush fire?

Perhaps you’re worried regime change has come home to roost? Perhaps Iraq isn’t becoming a democracy, but the US will turn into a military dictatorship.

There’s some justice in that I suppose.

Still, keep up the good work! Keep voting for the morons that fuck everything up, and keep blaming the liberals.

After nearly 7 years of Bush pretending to lead the US, you find yourself in a mess and you blame the dems. tss, tss, tss.

[quote]derek wrote:
Maliki says he wants to start diplomatic initiatives with Iran. Iranians are sending weapons and personnel into Iraq. This is killing US soldiers. That had ALWAYS been considered an act of war.

Now Rice says the U.S. will join Iraq in these diplomatic talks with Iran.

Who the fuck is running our foreign policy, us or Maliki? [/quote]

It looks to me like Bush got just what he wanted.

He is getting Iraq to share oil revenues. This should make the Sunnis happy.

He is getting lines of communication open to Iran, but he can say he didn’t open them. This should make the Shiites happy.

If we do end up going to war with Iran he can say he tried everything.

The only problem is he will get criticized for it. Big deal. He is used to it.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:

Perhaps I’m not really up-to-date, but last time I checked your precious Bush was sqautting in the white house.

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I have read he does mostly upper body weight training and bicycling for lower body.

I wonder how much he squats, if he has a squat rack or, heaven forbid, a smith machine.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:

Perhaps I’m not really up-to-date, but last time I checked your precious Bush was sqautting in the white house.

I have read he does mostly upper body weight training and bicycling for lower body.

I wonder how much he squats, if he has a squat rack or, heaven forbid, a smith machine.[/quote]

Reading that, I worry about imbalances between hams and quads and about his whole posterior chain.

[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:

Perhaps I’m not really up-to-date, but last time I checked your precious Bush was sqautting in the white house.

I have read he does mostly upper body weight training and bicycling for lower body.

I wonder how much he squats, if he has a squat rack or, heaven forbid, a smith machine.

Reading that, I worry about imbalances between hams and quads and about his whole posterior chain.[/quote]

I think that is why he fell off that dumb scooter thing.

[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:

Perhaps I’m not really up-to-date, but last time I checked your precious Bush was sqautting in the white house.

I have read he does mostly upper body weight training and bicycling for lower body.

I wonder how much he squats, if he has a squat rack or, heaven forbid, a smith machine.

Reading that, I worry about imbalances between hams and quads and about his whole posterior chain.[/quote]

I worry more about imbalances from the neck up.

It looks like our military is committing “acts of war” as well.

I would suggest enlisting before the draft occurs. That way you can pick a job instead of being drafted as bullet catcher.

Dustin

[quote]Dustin wrote:
It looks like our military is committing “acts of war” as well.

I would suggest enlisting before the draft occurs. That way you can pick a job instead of being drafted as bullet catcher.
Dustin[/quote]

I’ve said this before and gotten flamed, why I’ll never know. Who wants to sit in some cubicle all day, when you could be out hunting down evil? If I wasn’t too damn old (and asthmatic besides), it’d definitely be a choice for me. You young guys are seriously missing out, if you don’t enlist. Defending the most moral, most noble country in the history of this planet is AN HONOR.

Damn, wish I hadn’t missed my chance.

(Wreckless is now salivating to respond, so go ahead, bugwit.)

[quote]Dustin wrote:
It looks like our military is committing “acts of war” as well.
Dustin[/quote]

"Citing ?informed source?, the semi-official Fars news agency reported on Saturday that the explosive devices and arsenals used in the recent wave of explosions that hit the southeastern Iranian city of Zahedan starting Wednesday came from the United States.

The Fars report said that documents, photographs and film footage, showed that the explosives and arsenals used in the attacks were American."

“Informed source”? You’re kidding right?

I’m sure the bombs read “Made in U.S.A.” right on the bottom.

I wonder if the directions were also written in Spanish.

[quote]derek wrote:
Dustin wrote:
It looks like our military is committing “acts of war” as well.
Dustin

"Citing ?informed source?, the semi-official Fars news agency reported on Saturday that the explosive devices and arsenals used in the recent wave of explosions that hit the southeastern Iranian city of Zahedan starting Wednesday came from the United States.

The Fars report said that documents, photographs and film footage, showed that the explosives and arsenals used in the attacks were American."

“Informed source”? You’re kidding right?

I’m sure the bombs read “Made in U.S.A.” right on the bottom.

I wonder if the directions were also written in Spanish.

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Convenient you ignored the other article.

This is no different than the explosives (shape-charges) the Iranian’s are supposedly sending to Iraq to fight U.S. troops. I can’t remember the acronym right off given to these explosives, but essentially, that is all they are.

The mainstream media makes it sound like insurgents couldn’t make these explosives, and only a nation with some semblance of industry and technology could make them.

Any individual with an ounce of bomb making skill could make these explosives.

If you don’t trust the source I can easily provide you with some others.

Dustin

[quote]Dustin wrote:

This is no different than the explosives (shape-charges) the Iranian’s are supposedly sending to Iraq to fight U.S. troops. I can’t remember the acronym right off given to these explosives, but essentially, that is all they are.

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I believe the acronym you’re looking for is “RDX”, which is a major component of C-4 plastic explosive. More stable than TNT, and more powerful. Pretty cheap and easy to make, too, so it is the explosive of choice for “unlawful combatants” the world over.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Dustin wrote:

This is no different than the explosives (shape-charges) the Iranian’s are supposedly sending to Iraq to fight U.S. troops. I can’t remember the acronym right off given to these explosives, but essentially, that is all they are.

I believe the acronym you’re looking for is “RDX”, which is a major component of C-4 plastic explosive. More stable than TNT, and more powerful. Pretty cheap and easy to make, too, so it is the explosive of choice for “unlawful combatants” the world over.[/quote]

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?itemid=12139

There are two ways in which the US has attempted to link Iran to these weapons. The first is a general argument. US concern centres on a new form of roadside bomb, described in Western military terminology as a ?explosively formed projectile? (EFP). The EFP is a tube of explosives with a concave lid of metal capping one end. The explosives fire and re-shape the lid into a high-speed, super-hot projectile that can punch its way through heavy armour.

It was EFPs, Varqanir. I knew it was similar to IED, I just couldn’t think of it.

Dustin

[quote]Dustin wrote:

It was EFPs, Varqanir. I knew it was similar to IED, I just couldn’t think of it.
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Oh, okay.

Funny how very simple techniques, like indenting a piece of explosive to focus the energy (which is all you have to do to make a “shaped charge”), are given a kind of mystique though the use of these dumb acronyms. I agree with your earlier point: it certainly doesn’t require the resources and technical expertise of a first-world military power to make a conical indentation in a hunk of plastic explosive, and stick a bar of metal into into the hole.

Hell, one of the most devastating explosive devices we’re dropping on the Afghanis and Iraqis right now is a good old fertilizer and diesel fuel bomb, just like the one Tim McVeigh used. Simple solutions are the best.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

Funny how very simple techniques, like indenting a piece of explosive to focus the energy (which is all you have to do to make a “shaped charge”), are given a kind of mystique though the use of these dumb acronyms. [/quote]

That’s so typical of the Army/military: to take a simple word or phrase and make it difficult to remember by referring to said word or phrase as an acronym.

Shaped charge is not hard to say, or remember.

Dustin

[quote]Dustin wrote:
Convenient you ignored the other article.
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Just because I thought one article you linked to was moronic does not mean I ignored the other. But whatever.