I have never ran a cycle longer than 12 weeks, but hell, I am over 40, have 3 beautiful kids, great wife, shit load of Cialis so I am thinking of an 18 to 20 weeker…but I was planning on using HCG.
Like I said, I respect P22, but his method is totally against conventional wisdom, doesn’t mean its wrong and I might give his PCT a shot in the future when all my HCG is gone. I did see a special on Discovery where they were testing Test E at 200 MG a week and stated that everything got back to normal after 8 weeks.
I appreciate P-22’s input also, but moreso because he frustrated that annoying old blowhard AvoidsRoids so much he quit the forum. BWAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
ALso, dont’ take this the wrong way but I dont’ see how it’s possible you can think someone is going to recover in roughly the same amount of time from a 10 week cycle as someone who ran an 8 month cycle. If that’s is what your saying then it just seems WAY out there from everything I’ve ever heard, read, or thought.
If I misunderstood you I apologize and I’m sure you’ll let me know…either way I’m sure you’ll let me know. BTw P-22, not to be a suck ass but I do enjoy having you here. I remember you and Squatty going back and forth when you first showed up.
Squatty bro, if you’re lurking. Hello, and I lost my phone so I dont’ have your # anymore. Hope all is well.[/quote]
I said 10 month cycle and meant it because I did it - Nov 2004-Sept 2005, and fully recovered by December 2005. The year before That, I did a cycle from Oct 2003- Aug 2004, using the hcg weekly protocol throughout, and even tapered off on test, then tapered off hcg and ran nolva and clomid for six weeks. My recovery was sluggish at best and after 3 months I gave up and went back on cycle just to allieviate the old man’s test level syndrome. I narrowed my problem to clearly being the hcg, as test level was fine and testes were reponding well with the hcg, even tapered to 25 iu per day, but as soon as I stopped the libido stopped, and I was taking adequate amounts of nolva and clomid, so it was clear it wasn’t a pituatary problem, but a problem with testicular responce to my own natural hcg.
I went back on cycle, and didn’t touch a drop of hcg all cycle long and tapered the way I described, and I never had a problem.
My mistake brother. Very interesting, makes me consider going back on. Redundant question but you feel this way regaurdless of what you use, just as long as you taper off the test. Correct? ALso you dont’ use nolva at all any more and obviously no clomid. Right? ALso when you have the time, btw I know you’re a real busy guy so once again thanks, what trib dose do you run? Thanks in advance.
Over40, I understand completey and yes it is somewhat contradictory to everything that most guys do. However, I REALLY like the idea of using as few compounds as possible in pct. On top of that, while I respect everyones opinion (to a degree, given they aren’t a d-bag about it, which you are clearly not), the whole hcg topic and pct discussion in general is one that seems to be both the most important aspect of using AAS in the first place, as well as the most disagreed upon topic.
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My mistake brother. Very interesting, makes me consider going back on. Redundant question but you feel this way regaurdless of what you use, just as long as you taper off the test. Correct? ALso you dont’ use nolva at all any more and obviously no clomid. Right? ALso when you have the time, btw I know you’re a real busy guy so once again thanks, what trib dose do you run? Thanks in advance.
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Yup no Serms used at all. I just use Femara, and taper it off as I taper the test.
As for the Trib, I personally havn’t even bothered with it, but I know others that have during cycle as an alternative to hcg. It’s method of stimulating an increase in test production is simmilar to hcg, but of course not even close in potency. This is something you can try, as it would make more sence to use it during cycle then post cycle since it would be suppresive to your hpta to a small extent, which is counterproductive in my mind to achieving natural homeostasis. Just use it as recommended, but imo the cost:benifit ratio probably isn’t favorable.
“SWALE’s PCT” is total dogshit. His name is Dr. John Crissler, and he operates a TRT clinic. He’s one of the most mediocre minds in performance enhancement today. He makes Craig Titus look like a genius…
Actually, I just started my taper at 1/2 a shot (150 mg) or so and worked my way down from there. If I felt fine the next week I went to 1/4 a shot 75 mg, and continued on, Some weeks I repeated the dose, but the entire process took less than six weeks.
As long as the libido felt good I would continue to decrease to 50 mg and lower. I believe I ended the taper after 50 mg, as the gear would end up tapering itself from there. I had already experience increase blood flow to the testicles - a feeling of atrophy and soreness that accompanies it. This is a good indication that your taper is working good.
As for an AI, use 1 mg of adex every other day, As you get below 100 mg, .5mg eod, gradually taper it off as well. I did everything myself by feel as qualitative data is the best indication that you are having success.
Cy stated to used 100mg of enanthate, or androgel instead, along with clomid. Instead I had great results with the test enanthate and the AI.
[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
Actually, I just started my taper at 1/2 a shot (150 mg) or so and worked my way down from there. If I felt fine the next week I went to 1/4 a shot 75 mg, and continued on, Some weeks I repeated the dose, but the entire process took less than six weeks.
As long as the libido felt good I would continue to decrease to 50 mg and lower. I believe I ended the taper after 50 mg, as the gear would end up tapering itself from there. I had already experience increase blood flow to the testicles - a feeling of atrophy and soreness that accompanies it. This is a good indication that your taper is working good.
As for an AI, use 1 mg of adex every other day, As you get below 100 mg, .5mg eod, gradually taper it off as well. I did everything myself by feel as qualitative data is the best indication that you are having success.
Cy stated to used 100mg of enanthate, or androgel instead, along with clomid. Instead I had great results with the test enanthate and the AI.[/quote]
Thanks for the info. I will definately add this to the toolbox.