[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
there’s no need to reach your ‘genetic potential’ before starting aas…
but you should at least look like you lift weights before you start IMO.
you don’t want to start aas when you’re generally weak/inexperienced. your lifts will skyrocket and your joints/ligaments/connective tissues will suffer because they are not accustomed to the strain. [/quote]
this is why i love walkway. thinks for himself and gives good advice.
the entire concept of reaching your “genetic potential” that’s parroted on forums is so stupid. if you’re doing everything right then you will approach your potential asymptotically but never actually reach it. that might mean half a pound of muscle for a year’s hard work but making gains at all means you’re not at your potential. then finally you’re in your 40s or 50s and start to decline. so “wait until you reach your genetic potential” is basically saying to never take AAS.
plus it’s always stated in terms of “paying your dues” as if you need some forum dipshit’s approval, or the “fitness” community’s permission. and the poster will generally fuck off and do what they want anyway. whereas if you explain that it’s just a waste of money and you’re gonna fuck up your joints and get injured, and that’s why it’s better to hold off, then people are much more willing to do what’s in their best interest.
i don’t think you can give hard numbers to reach first. the standard should be based on how fast you’re progressing given hard and smart training and dieting. at the soonest, hop on once you can’t make weekly progression on the heavy compounds. ie can’t add 5 lbs to the bar on squat, bench, deadlift etc each week. for some that’s a 800 lbs total others it might be 1500
not aimed at anyone btw. i didn’t even read the comments just needed to be said.
The problem is that most people think they’re training hard and smart when they’re not, and are looking to use AAS as an easy fix. This is why numbers are used as a gauge of how hard and smart they’re actually training.
Someone totaling 800 is either not training hard, or is too early in his training life to have encountered plateaus that require seriously figuring out his body’s response training and diet and adapting them to overcome these plateaus.
If he’s serious about this lifestyle, he would have found a way to overcome stalls in training and his results would show it. If he’s not, why start AAS on a whim when he’s probably not going to be doing this after a couple of years?
This is not about paying your dues.
This is about very basic common sense.