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Keeping a Girl from Saying 'Well Expect to Pay for It'

Straight to the point.

I have met women who are students like me, have a good time on the first meet and generally see each other when we can but then they give me the “dont expect to have sex without doing [insert date-type stuff here]” or something worse.

I am not after a GF in these situations and if a girl does this I just find someone else and stop seeing them, I have no problem with this whatsoever.

However.

These same girls I have been with who do the ‘paying for pussy’ talk are out on student nights and I see them pulling guys or having the fuckmenow look which every guy can spot a mile off so they’re not exactly worse off.

Why turn down regular, drunk-free sex with a guy they do like for ONS because the guy doesn’t want a GF/BF type of relationship with her.

Nothing really wrong with these girls, I am older than them at 28 where the normal university age is 18-22 but seriously, I want to avoid this in future as I have to admit I am just too straight up honest with them about it and I turn them off me.

Anyone got experience with this?

The fact that you have ANY issues/problems with pulling regular pussy in a college town filled with drunken 22 year-olds at the age of 28 is the REAL thread here.

Damn

Women only give you they gash when you front some bills?

Sucks man lol

I wish a bitch would have the nerve to ask me for a dime…

I will give her a dime alright…10 inches motherfucker…put that in your slot slut

yeah those girls are just trying to put out a fake image of prudence to you so you will see them as serious GF material. As you already know these same girls get drunk and hook up with pretty much no problem. So, I advise you instead of dates hang with them on those drunk nites and hook up. College girls for the most part are out to party and cut loose, so don’t take them too seriously. That’s not to say there aren’t some girls out there with a good head on their shoulders. It just in my experience there’s a lot more of the former.

p.S. wear condoms

[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Straight to the point.

I have met women who are students like me, have a good time on the first meet and generally see each other when we can but then they give me the “dont expect to have sex without doing [insert date-type stuff here]” or something worse.

I am not after a GF in these situations and if a girl does this I just find someone else and stop seeing them, I have no problem with this whatsoever.

However.

These same girls I have been with who do the ‘paying for pussy’ talk are out on student nights and I see them pulling guys or having the fuckmenow look which every guy can spot a mile off so they’re not exactly worse off.

Why turn down regular, drunk-free sex with a guy they do like for ONS because the guy doesn’t want a GF/BF type of relationship with her.

Nothing really wrong with these girls, I am older than them at 28 where the normal university age is 18-22 but seriously, I want to avoid this in future as I have to admit I am just too straight up honest with them about it and I turn them off me.

Anyone got experience with this?[/quote]

Excuse me while I go a little PUA on you.

The SMV, or sexual market value of women is at its peak from around 17-24.

It is pretty much downhill from there.

Alas, in this period of their life they hold all the cards, which is good, because I want you to remember what that looks like, so that you remember when they no longer do.

They will never hold all the cards again, UNLESS, you marry one.

Then you are fucked.

So, in short, nothing you can do right now, you are 28, the tide will turn in around 2 years for you, save genuine affection for those who deserve it, pump and dump the rest.

Last, but not least, women in their early thirties who have all wised up and such?

Dont even shake their hand without a condom.

[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
yeah those girls are just trying to put out a fake image of prudence to you so you will see them as serious GF material. As you already know these same girls get drunk and hook up with pretty much no problem. So, I advise you instead of dates hang with them on those drunk nites and hook up. College girls for the most part are out to party and cut loose, so don’t take them too seriously. That’s not to say there aren’t some girls out there with a good head on their shoulders. It just in my experience there’s a lot more of the former.

p.S. wear condoms[/quote]

The only problem is, the stable girls I do know are like this, even when they’re not drunk.

For example I was interested in a girl in the same sports team as me but when I saw her on a night out she loved the attention so much she would go through a train of guys…urgh.

Unfortunately this is common as well.

[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
yeah those girls are just trying to put out a fake image of prudence to you so you will see them as serious GF material. As you already know these same girls get drunk and hook up with pretty much no problem. So, I advise you instead of dates hang with them on those drunk nites and hook up. College girls for the most part are out to party and cut loose, so don’t take them too seriously. That’s not to say there aren’t some girls out there with a good head on their shoulders. It just in my experience there’s a lot more of the former.

p.S. wear condoms[/quote]

Maybe they are not trying to put on a fake image and want to get something out of him. He is 28 in school with younger girls. Could be he is just old and ugly to them.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Straight to the point.

I have met women who are students like me, have a good time on the first meet and generally see each other when we can but then they give me the “dont expect to have sex without doing [insert date-type stuff here]” or something worse.

I am not after a GF in these situations and if a girl does this I just find someone else and stop seeing them, I have no problem with this whatsoever.

However.

These same girls I have been with who do the ‘paying for pussy’ talk are out on student nights and I see them pulling guys or having the fuckmenow look which every guy can spot a mile off so they’re not exactly worse off.

Why turn down regular, drunk-free sex with a guy they do like for ONS because the guy doesn’t want a GF/BF type of relationship with her.

Nothing really wrong with these girls, I am older than them at 28 where the normal university age is 18-22 but seriously, I want to avoid this in future as I have to admit I am just too straight up honest with them about it and I turn them off me.

Anyone got experience with this?[/quote]

Excuse me while I go a little PUA on you.

The SMV, or sexual market value of women is at its peak from around 17-24.

It is pretty much downhill from there.

Alas, in this period of their life they hold all the cards, which is good, because I want you to remember what that looks like, so that you remember when they no longer do.

They will never hold all the cards again, UNLESS, you marry one.

Then you are fucked.

So, in short, nothing you can do right now, you are 28, the tide will turn in around 2 years for you, save genuine affection for those who deserve it, pump and dump the rest.

Last, but not least, women in their early thirties who have all wised up and such?

Dont even shake their hand without a condom.[/quote]

I know men who look after themselves have an advantage come later life but here is the problem.

I do not know of any women my age or just under 28 who;

  • Is attractive
  • Doesn’t have a kid
  • Is not divorced
  • Do not wear the pants in any relationship
  • Is not in serious debt
  • Actually likes a guy for being a guy

Ive been with older women and they eventually gave me the same crap the younger ones do so once again I have to start all over again. To be frank it is putting me off wanting to get to know other women or even talk to them when I am out socialising.

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
yeah those girls are just trying to put out a fake image of prudence to you so you will see them as serious GF material. As you already know these same girls get drunk and hook up with pretty much no problem. So, I advise you instead of dates hang with them on those drunk nites and hook up. College girls for the most part are out to party and cut loose, so don’t take them too seriously. That’s not to say there aren’t some girls out there with a good head on their shoulders. It just in my experience there’s a lot more of the former.

p.S. wear condoms[/quote]

Maybe they are not trying to put on a fake image and want to get something out of him. He is 28 in school with younger girls. Could be he is just old and ugly to them.[/quote]

No.

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Straight to the point.

I have met women who are students like me, have a good time on the first meet and generally see each other when we can but then they give me the “dont expect to have sex without doing [insert date-type stuff here]” or something worse.

I am not after a GF in these situations and if a girl does this I just find someone else and stop seeing them, I have no problem with this whatsoever.

However.

These same girls I have been with who do the ‘paying for pussy’ talk are out on student nights and I see them pulling guys or having the fuckmenow look which every guy can spot a mile off so they’re not exactly worse off.

Why turn down regular, drunk-free sex with a guy they do like for ONS because the guy doesn’t want a GF/BF type of relationship with her.

Nothing really wrong with these girls, I am older than them at 28 where the normal university age is 18-22 but seriously, I want to avoid this in future as I have to admit I am just too straight up honest with them about it and I turn them off me.

Anyone got experience with this?[/quote]

Excuse me while I go a little PUA on you.

The SMV, or sexual market value of women is at its peak from around 17-24.

It is pretty much downhill from there.

Alas, in this period of their life they hold all the cards, which is good, because I want you to remember what that looks like, so that you remember when they no longer do.

They will never hold all the cards again, UNLESS, you marry one.

Then you are fucked.

So, in short, nothing you can do right now, you are 28, the tide will turn in around 2 years for you, save genuine affection for those who deserve it, pump and dump the rest.

Last, but not least, women in their early thirties who have all wised up and such?

Dont even shake their hand without a condom.[/quote]

I know men who look after themselves have an advantage come later life but here is the problem.

I do not know of any women my age or just under 28 who;

  • Is attractive
  • Doesn’t have a kid
  • Is not divorced
  • Do not wear the pants in any relationship
  • Is not in serious debt
  • Actually likes a guy for being a guy

Ive been with older women and they eventually gave me the same crap the younger ones do so once again I have to start all over again. To be frank it is putting me off wanting to get to know other women or even talk to them when I am out socialising.

[/quote]

Well, frankly, the disgust is supposed to come later, but why not get it out of the way asap?

And yes, for the most part they suck.

They are hypergamic more or less polygamous whores as long as they can and when they no longer can they “have matured and are ready for a longterm relationship”.

And you are supposed to be overjoyed to read their wishes from their quivering lips?

Me neither.

Caveat: There are decent women out there.

I know, I have met at least three.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
yeah those girls are just trying to put out a fake image of prudence to you so you will see them as serious GF material. As you already know these same girls get drunk and hook up with pretty much no problem. So, I advise you instead of dates hang with them on those drunk nites and hook up. College girls for the most part are out to party and cut loose, so don’t take them too seriously. That’s not to say there aren’t some girls out there with a good head on their shoulders. It just in my experience there’s a lot more of the former.

p.S. wear condoms[/quote]

Maybe they are not trying to put on a fake image and want to get something out of him. He is 28 in school with younger girls. Could be he is just old and ugly to them.[/quote]

No.

[/quote]

Yes

28 isn’t old…but it is when surrounded by 22

It isn’t ugly but surrounded by 22 it is

Not creepy either…but on a college campus it is.

I’ve been to a few frat parties where older brothers are there…near 30…no one wants anything to do with them.

They only see op as a sugardaddy…

yeah the majority is not quality but there are some good ones. Just don’t set your expections too high right now. I know i was kind of jaded for a while when i was younger due to meeting so many of these girls. It kills alot of your trust but there really are quality women out there not many but some. Enjoy it, it is the last time you will get to party with such young girls. No regrets.

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

  • Is attractive
  • Doesn’t have a kid
  • Is not divorced
  • Do not wear the pants in any relationship
  • Is not in serious debt
  • Actually likes a guy for being a guy

[/quote]

Also, this is a solid list for 28.

If I compare that to what I would have said at 28 you are way ahead.

I never knew Ginny Weasley was such a hard-to-get type.

I think you missed out by not trying to get with Hermione.

[quote]Nards wrote:
I never knew Ginny Weasley was such a hard-to-get type.

I think you missed out by not trying to get with Hermione.[/quote]

http://www.kewego.nl/video/iLyROoaftdKy.html

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
yeah those girls are just trying to put out a fake image of prudence to you so you will see them as serious GF material. As you already know these same girls get drunk and hook up with pretty much no problem. So, I advise you instead of dates hang with them on those drunk nites and hook up. College girls for the most part are out to party and cut loose, so don’t take them too seriously. That’s not to say there aren’t some girls out there with a good head on their shoulders. It just in my experience there’s a lot more of the former.

p.S. wear condoms[/quote]

Maybe they are not trying to put on a fake image and want to get something out of him. He is 28 in school with younger girls. Could be he is just old and ugly to them.[/quote]

No.

[/quote]

Yes

28 isn’t old…but it is when surrounded by 22

It isn’t ugly but surrounded by 22 it is

Not creepy either…but on a college campus it is.

I’ve been to a few frat parties where older brothers are there…near 30…no one wants anything to do with them.

They only see op as a sugardaddy…[/quote]

Old and ugly is not a problem.

Women dont care, whatever they say.

Looking like a needy guy that hangs out with a younger crowd in order to get laid is creepy because the female definition of “creep” is a man of not high enough status who makes a move on her, or worse, is to timid to make a move on her but wants to.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

  • Is attractive
  • Doesn’t have a kid
  • Is not divorced
  • Do not wear the pants in any relationship
  • Is not in serious debt
  • Actually likes a guy for being a guy

[/quote]

Also, this is a solid list for 28.

If I compare that to what I would have said at 28 you are way ahead.[/quote]

You would not believe how hard it is to try and find a woman around my age that doesn’t have that type of list attached to her.

Also, I’m not creepy :frowning: If anything is to go by the teams a lot of girls do avoid is the rugby teams, American football and some others. Being on the lacrosse team has given me good opportunities for meeting girls however like I said, they’re fresh off the parent tit and tend to love the train of guys coming at them.

Anyways, thanks for the advice as I am not going to compromise my own happiness just to get a regular thing.

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

  • Is attractive
  • Doesn’t have a kid
  • Is not divorced
  • Do not wear the pants in any relationship
  • Is not in serious debt
  • Actually likes a guy for being a guy

[/quote]

Also, this is a solid list for 28.

If I compare that to what I would have said at 28 you are way ahead.[/quote]

You would not believe how hard it is to try and find a woman around my age that doesn’t have that type of list attached to her.

Also, I’m not creepy :frowning: If anything is to go by the teams a lot of girls do avoid is the rugby teams, American football and some others. Being on the lacrosse team has given me good opportunities for meeting girls however like I said, they’re fresh off the parent tit and tend to love the train of guys coming at them.

Anyways, thanks for the advice as I am not going to compromise my own happiness just to get a regular thing.[/quote]

Good luck and remember its a fucking jungle out there.

i don’t understand why having a kid makes a woman unfuckable.
Is this why I can’t get laid, because I have a kid?

It’s not like she’s going to hit you up for child support or want you to play daddy. IF she has a brain in her head she wouldn’t even let you meet the kid unless you developed a serious relationship.

Mom’s need cock too, it’s not like their vagina’s are ruined for the rest of their lives.

AND shockingly some of them ARE good people who were just careless when they were 19. And by good I mean like guys for guys and don’t give a flying rats ass how fat your wallet is.

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
yeah those girls are just trying to put out a fake image of prudence to you so you will see them as serious GF material. As you already know these same girls get drunk and hook up with pretty much no problem. So, I advise you instead of dates hang with them on those drunk nites and hook up. College girls for the most part are out to party and cut loose, so don’t take them too seriously. That’s not to say there aren’t some girls out there with a good head on their shoulders. It just in my experience there’s a lot more of the former.

p.S. wear condoms[/quote]

Maybe they are not trying to put on a fake image and want to get something out of him. He is 28 in school with younger girls. Could be he is just old and ugly to them.[/quote]

Old and ugly? Shit 28 is young and most girls of college age are into older (or slightly older) guys. Women hardly paid attention to me at all until I turned 30. Perhaps because he is older than some of her drunk FWB’s, is why she doesn’t want to be seen as slutty. She probably cares what he thinks of her.