Operaman, welcome aboard…great post(s). Don’t expect “facts” to go over very well here though : )
You have a very valid question, since Operaman already gave you an excellent, detailed answer, I’d like to offer this:
Every presidential candidate makes campaign promises and presents plans when running for election that he may or may not impliment. Even if Kerry had a “future” plan that everyone agreed on, only time would tell if those things get implimented, that’s true with every election.
That’s why you can’t leave Bush out of this question, he’s already had his shot. Whenever I hear this question it’s almost like people are saying, “So tell me, what is Kerry’s plan to get us out of this enormous mess that Bush made?”
The real question should be, “What is ONE thing that Bush has done in four years to deserve another term?” The only thing keeping his boat afloat is the “spin machine” on hyperdrive. The “spin machine” works so well, 50% of the sheeple think the war in Iraq is getting better and the economy is BOOMING.
It gets frustrating because it’s like standing in the rain, trying to convince someone it’s raining.
Please explain how 7 - 12 minutes or a half hour would have changed anything that happened on the planes that were already in the air.
Being the “911 conspiracy guy” on the boards, I’d like to bring up the real question…
With two hijacked planes already crashed and an unknown number of others still in US airspace and with his location known to the public in advance of his visit, why didn’t the Secret Service literally yank him out of his shoes to get him out of there? Add to that they already had a memo that said, “bin Laden determined to attack”.
To think he did it because he didn’t want to alarm the kids is beyond ludacris. The extreme reality happens to be the Secret Service would kill every kid in that classroom if for some reason it meant protecting the President. If you know anything about how important it is that they protect the President, you’ll understand exactly what I’m saying.
In other words, how did they know he was safe?
As far as NORAD goes, “intercept” and “shoot down” are two separate things. The controvercy was never about a question whether to shoot down or not, it happened to be about an even bigger issue. Fighter intercept happens to be a matter of ROUTINE, not an executive level decision. In other words, they would actually need orders to STAY ON THE GROUND.
That’s why so many people immediately started doubting the whole 911 story, because something that just happens as routine in a matter of minutes, didn’t happen on 911 for almost two hours.
A good analogy would be, if a fire alarm went off in a building only about two or three blocks from the fire department. As a matter of routine they go and check it out, regardless of whether there is a real fire or not they treat it like an emergency every single time. Now imagine on 9/11, the building catching fire, the alarm going off, the building burning to the ground and then the fire department showing up after the fact when they were only 3 blocks away. But even more incredible, not just that building, but 3 other buildings in the surrounding area with at least 8 fire departments able to respond to any of them within 15 minutes, but none arrive until after the buildings all burn down.
That’s why certain people immediately became suspicious, because a scenerio like that is for all intents and purposes, beyond the realm of possibility.[/quote]
I hate conspiracy theories. Let me offer a few possible explanations for those delays. Everyone was glued to their televisions that day, to include those in the military. I don’t think even Pearl Harbor was able to paralyze America for an abbreviated amount of time the way that 9-11 did. The telephone system became instantly impossible to use on the Eastern Seaboard immediately following the crashes in New York. That probably hampered the ability for government agencies to maintain the proper flow of information necessary for instant action.
FDR never knew about Pearl Harbor prior to the attack. Likewise, GWB never knew about 9-11, or at least he did not know sufficient details ahead of time that would have been necessary to stop it. The idea that these men would deliberately allow these events to take place is just plain silly.