[quote]Cr Powerlinate wrote:
[quote]Cr Powerlinate wrote:
That was my only post in the thread. I don’t have a horse in this race, I’d just rather see references and evidence than any talk about who is more “qualified” to speak on the matter. [/quote]
Ya know, I realized that comment was a cheap shot you didn’t deserve after hitting submit… but since my posts take so long to show I figured I’d just suck it up and admit it was outta line. My bad.
I’d rather see ANY (intelligent) discussion than nothing but vague answers bolstered by credentials only tangentially related to the subject.
If that means certain points need to be supported by saying, “Authority ABC (CT, Meadows, Yates, whomever) tend to feel XYZ is the best approach”, that’s fine. If that means posting an article or training clip as evidence, that’s cool too.[/quote]
I think we’re in agreement 100% on this, just wanted to make sure nobody thought I was taking sides. [/quote]
What you said before wasn’t wrong. As I said myself, degrees in nutrition and dietetic internships don’t go into detail about the practical application of sports nutrition, even if some of the courses are titled, as in my case, “Sports Nutrition”, “Exercise Physiology”, “Energy and Exercise”, “Weight Control”, and “Nutrition Counseling”. Sure some of my work showed me how to dial in with specific macronutrient and caloric prescriptions for vasious conditions (and micronutrient prescriptions for things like hypertension and renal disease) and went into A LOT of scientific and practical detail about research and nutrition metabolism and even foodservice and food science and technology, but it taught ZILCH about getting shredded to the bone and contest condition.
This is why on one hand I understand that "reading articles isn’t the same as getting a degree. However, on the other hand, one CAN design a diet for themselves after reading high quality articles and books and applying the information to themselves and others. Some of the most shredded and massive BB’ers in history–Dorian, Lee Haney, Gaspari, Arnold, and a whole slew of other greats–NEVER had a guru! All they had were each other, some books, and some articles, and their own observations. You know, stuff like this, “Bro, I ate 400 grams of carbs a day for the past few days; how do I look?” “Fat.” “OK, I think I’ll take them down a notch.” “Damn, looking flat; don’t feel too good. Time to up the carbs.” That’s how they handled stuff! None except the biggest nerds like Dan Duchaine–a man who I kinda respect in soem ways, but am still unsure of why he got so much fame-- felt the need to visit the UCLA library to shuffle through scientific studies to get where they were. I’d bet dollars to doughnuts none of them gave a rat’s ass about discussing how shit is metaboized, “insulin spikes”, mTor, “pulsing”, tri-phasic blitzkriegs, or whatever other geek shit so commonly discussed these days!
There are some gurus runnign around the 'net and at geek fests today with book plenty of book smarts (and in some cases good practical skills to go with it) that take pride in bashing others because those others don’t bury themselves in science and sometimes fumble with their explanations of things related to nutrition science. I can understand no one wants to hear people spewing nutritional and scientific fallacies, but some of these oh-so-flawed bro-science guys they disdain are FAR MORE jacked than these pompous nerds! Some of the most revered gurus (whose names I don’t care to mention) have actually made their M.O. to be just shuffling through Pub Med and critiquing studies. How useful for us. That’s really gonna help me when I make a groundbreaking decision of going low-carb/keto versus carb cyclign when it’s time to cut down or to eat enough to get big!
And I didn’t mean to instigate anythign with X. It’s just like this: if everything and everyone is so damn flawed–you know, nearly everyone sucks at this and is just a skinny pansy if they aren’t a drugged up and/or chubby or fat 250 and no one knows what they’re doing–then what do you have to offer? What do you recommend? I asked what’s recommended and this was construed as “arguing”. Also, a diet is considered perfect when it’s giving you the result you want. I highly doubt guys frustrated wirth their results and staying the same size or not losing fat are bragging how perfect they are.