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Even at 6’5 thats no bueno i would get down to say ‘only’ 275 and then evaluate

keep the main lift /strength progression the same as thats clearly working and then do something like the assistance work here for the second half of workout…

At your age and on TRT you will lose zero muscle and strength, prob put some on even

wouldnt hurt to clean up diet a bit also

It gets frustrating for sure, but you’re nowhere near lean enough that you really have to stress about all the potential negative effects of dieting.

I haven’t looked at your pictures, because I find that forum weird, so this is just a generalization: a 3lbs per inch bodybuilder is freaking jacked; you’d need to lose 75lbs even if we assumed you had achieved a lifetime of muscle gain.

The good news is that you’re already doing all that needs to be done: it’s just lifting, cardio, and good eating habits. The devil is not in the details, it’s in the consistency; I think if you stay the course and check in with us next spring, you’ll blow minds.

Having that kind of timeline expectation should also help from the “extreme” attitude we all tend to get. It does you no good to starve yourself today, because you know you’ll still be at it in October; just string a bunch of good, realistic days together.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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So I’m going to start on monday with this diet and maintain my current lifting plan:

3000 total calories:

300g Protein
300g Carbs
65g Fat

Sounds good! You’ll have to adjust as you go anyway.

I’m certainly no expert, but if it were me, I’d be pretty confident taking my protein down to 225g so my fat could come up to 100g. I think that will make you feel better and give you a broader menu, which becomes important over the long haul.

Edit: also @carlbm pointed out those are low calories. I’m not really opining on that, because I don’t know where you are now. I would consider maybe a little higher calorie and adding in daily walks if you aren’t doing that already; that’s likely to help get things moving.

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You’ll tank and struggle.

Using this info - you need 4500 a day to live. If you eat 3000 you are on 2/3 of your basic needs. you will struggle.
I will suggest 2 option:

  1. Aim for 3500-4000 a day and see where you end up.

  2. Don’t count calories. But do stop eating the crap.

No one is 306lb (138kg) and eating clean. Ditch the fast food, the junk food the sugary drinks. I eat 6 eggs, 500g (1lb) of mince and then another meat dish each day. With my only carbs being bread at breakfast and then rice or potatoes. I’m 5kg (12lb) down in little over a month.
You know how to do it.

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I agree with your general point, but I do think the specific numbers go out the window a bit at higher body weights. In my opinion, and supported by nothing, I think there are some absolute caloric needs that don’t change as one gets heavier, so the relative formulae start overestimating.

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Agree that 15 calories per lb is not so useful after a point.

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When i was on the previous cut that last approximately 16-18weeks I lost 15-20 lbs and was eating 3000-3200 daily. For the last 5 weeks I have been eating 3600 a day and gained about 5 lbs, i weigh every morning before food. I have no reason to lie about this lol.

I eat a very bland diet and that is fine with me. it usually looks like this

Morning:
Black Coffee
Egg Whites 100g
Steak / Chicken 8oz
Cup of Hashbrowns

brunch:
Chicken breast 8oz
cup of rice

Post-Workout
16oz protein shake 250calories 50g protien

Lunch/ Dinnerr:
Breast 8oz
sweet potato / only butter (10g)
Veggie of some kind 1-2cups

Dinner:
Breast / steak 8oz
veggies
rice / rice cakes / premixed pasta 300calories a cup
7 dark chocolate pretzels = 180-190 calories

Protein Shake before bed MRE Lite 2 1/2 scoops
250-280 calories 65g protein 8 carbs

on days that im struggling with my inner fat kid, ill have some Cheetos Rice Puffs 32 ct= 300 calories instead of rice

i only season with a tablespoon of avocado oil for the chicken with some kind of rub or some premixed seasoning

Im also in school and walk about two miles a day (large campus state university) on top of my current workout schedule

So i was eating 225g which was approximately 1g protein to 1lbs of FFM but i am always being told to eat more protein.

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There’s a billion ways to skin the cat. I’m just throwing you my preference. I can’t imagine what that much protein is going to do for you.

It sounds like you already have data on you. If you were losing at 3200, no reason to go lower than that right now - especially since you’re now 5 lbs heavier. Don’t mess with success and all that

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thanks for your response man. I appreciate the input

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Whilst I believe you - it is because so far you have been nothing but polite and respectful. History has taught me:
Having no reason to lie does not mean not lying.
Lots of people THINK they are telling the truth. But are not.

So apologies for this:

As either you have not tanked. Or you are managing the struggle well.

And I would agree that if you know 3000-3200 get you what you want stick to that. There is a theory (one of the million way to skin a cat) that says you should eat as much food as you can - that still lets you lose weight. It looks like 3200 calories is this threshold for you. Keep going.

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thanks for your input. Im going to post a before and after with my training log so I can check it out and you guys can look it over later on. thanks again

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Can i just add, by the way, i’m loving the attitude you’re bringing.

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Did you measure T during the deficit?

Not to start an argument, but what does it matter at this point? He’s already down that road; no use second-guessing.

Or maybe I’m particularly nihilistic today

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About the same 10ng/dl lower

There’s no innate reason to state that it does.

Wouldn’t PCT be a way to get off that road?

Maybe. Generally, you are probably right, and second-guessing might not help OP. I hope that 140mg test cyp will keep him stable, happy, and healthy. Maybe I’m doing more harm than good in mentioning it at all.

I think the reason I raised the potential issue is that I started TRT at a similar age, and the majority (if not all) of my bloodwork was done during a deficit or at least in a state of restrictive eating (balancing very hard and excessive training with semi-suitable amounts of food) but never having a phase that would’ve allowed for some hormonal recovery.

I’ve not had access to test cyp, only Nebido, and have had a really tough time not having negative sides. That might of course be because how rarely injections are done (for me, once every 9 weeks), but another hypothesis I have is that TRT if you don’t need it might not be smooth sailing.

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I honestly have no idea. You probably know better than me. It’s really not something I know that much about. I just think of PCT as something bodybuilders do in between cycles to minimize issues, but I’m not very familiar with what all they use. To your point, maybe he’s early enough in the road it’s an option. Is it no longer an option for you?