[quote] Musashi92 wrote:
For example when the far left say Osama stated the reasons for 9/11 being western military presence in the Gulf, they don’t realise it was so offensive because infidels in the holy land is worth killing for, not because of any national or political offense.
However when you say the Iranians had no reason to hate the west, that I can’t understand.
I can’t understand why you do. As I said, I’m talking about the current regime; the Khomeinists. As I said, they had assassinated Mossadeq’s predecessor and a few weeks into his term they tried to assassinate him. The Stalinist Tu’deh party was also involved in assassinations during this period. The whole country was in turmoil with Stalinist and Islamist terrorism. As I asked before, why would the Islamists be upset that we removed Mossadeq when they were trying to assassinate him?
At the end of The Second World War Stalin had agreed to remove his forces from Iran but when the time came he reneged. He(Stalin) then did what the Soviets always did; seed Communist organisations to subvert and overthrow the government. Feda’ian Islam was involved in numerous high profile assassinations and attempted assassinations including:
1946 - Ahmad Khasravi - A famous author, journalist, secular reformist and supporter of the Shah. He was accused of “unIslamic” writings and then he and his assistant murdered by two members of Feda’ian Islam
1948 - Mohammad Masoud - Islamists were suspected at the time but it has since come out the Stalinist Tudeh party was involved.
1949 - Tudeh assassination attempt on the Shah
1949 - Abdol-Hossein Hazhir - Politician and former Prime Minister assassinated by Feda’ian Islam
1950 - Ahmad Dehghan - Journalist assassinated by Tudeh
1951 - Ali Razmara - Prime Minister assassinated by Feda’ian Islam member
1951 - Abdol Hamid Zangeneh - Minister of Education and Dean of Law School assassinated by Feda’ian Islam
1952 - Hossein Fatimi - Mossadeq’s Foreign Minister. Assassinated by Feda’ian Islam
1955 - Hossein Ala - The Shah’s court minister. Nearly killed by bullet to the head from an Feda’ian Islam member
^^ That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Feda’ian Islam was the predecessor of Khomeini’s revolutionary party. They did not want “democratically elected” leaders. When they came to power they forbid any demonstrations or commemorations of Mossadeq and banned his image being shown in public.
The one they tried to assassinate?
I don’t know about “mass support”. The Islamists certainly didn’t support him and that’s who we are talking about. It’s the Islamists who are “pissed off” at us right? The secular, democratic reform types aren’t the ones angry at us are they?
Who’s angry? The current regime? The Islamists? [b]They’re the ones who tried to assassinate Mossadeq and assassinated his Ministers. Try to think logically, the US has done similar things to countries all over the world. Why would the Islamists be angry at us because we removed a leader they were trying to assassinate over 60 years ago?
Doing? We’ve hardly even spoken to them in over 30 years! We’re not “doing” anything.
You’d want to what? Again, the Islamists tried to assassinate Mossadeq and succeeded in assassinating several leaders in his government.[/quote]
You are not addressing the points made. You keep implying I am saying the Islamists were angry because we removed Mossaddegh, I did not say that, I said the Iranian public was furious the west overthrew a democratic leader and replaced him with a puppet.
Seeing as the west had just removed their democratic choice, this drove many to support hardline islamic uprisings as they saw it as the only was to rid western control of their nation. When you remove secular democratic government you drive people to extreme movements.
How was the US and the west not the cause of the islamic uprising in Iran? The Iranian public supported in the majority a secular nationalist, the US and Europe chose to overthrow him, install a shah who removed the nationalisation project. The public then turned to the hardline islamic movement seething with hatred for the US who curtailed their democratic choice and removed their soverignity by forcing political and economic figures and choices they wanted.
I will ask again, if the Iranian government overthrew Ronald Regan and installed a puppet who carried out their interests over the American peoples would the Americans hate Iran and would they support violent action against them?
Of course they would, any man who loves his country and has self respect would.