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Joint Pain After Night of Drinking

I have this weird problem. Sometimes, after a night of binge drinking, that I"ll wake up the next day and the joints in my hands hurt like if I have arthritis. This is the only time I feel that and it usually happens if I’m hungover. Anybody know why?
But seriously, it’s annoying.

find something softer to brace on while your boyfreind is having a go at you

you are dehydrated you dumb motherfucker

dehydration.

I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.

I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]

Same…never had a hangover yet.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.

I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]

Shit happens.

i usually get hangovers from too much of teh creatine

Sounds like gout(think thats what it was). A friend of mine gets it from drinking beer. Beer has something called purines(sp?) in it, and when he would drink beer, his knees and ankles would get seriously inflamed(think they swelled up too, but I don’t recall). He now drinks only Corona, because it doesn’t have the purines in it.

[quote]That One Guy wrote:
I have this weird problem. Sometimes, after a night of binge drinking, that I"ll wake up the next day and the joints in my hands hurt like if I have arthritis. This is the only time I feel that and it usually happens if I’m hungover. Anybody know why?
But seriously, it’s annoying.[/quote]

you probably just slept on it funny when you passed out in bed along with being dehydrated, I’ve done this a few times, got severe pain in my hand and wrist and a numb feeling that took a while to go away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gIvrfLGZWY

lol

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.

I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]

Same…never had a hangover yet.[/quote]

it just means that you didnt drink quite enough to get one. water and vitamins might work for a 12 pack of beer or so, but once you are drinking over a bottle of booze in a night, hangovers are imminent and unavoidable.

i have never met one person who drinks a bottle a day that doesnt get hangovers (not that hangovers are their biggest problem at that point.)

i was a bartender for over 10 years, and i have never heard that from any power drinker ever (myself included).

every mammal gets hangovers if they drink enough.

just sayin.

[quote]metal.head wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.

I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]

Same…never had a hangover yet.[/quote]

it just means that you didnt drink quite enough to get one. water and vitamins might work for a 12 pack of beer or so, but once you are drinking over a bottle of booze in a night, hangovers are imminent and unavoidable.

i have never met one person who drinks a bottle a day that doesnt get hangovers (not that hangovers are their biggest problem at that point.)

i was a bartender for over 10 years, and i have never heard that from any power drinker ever (myself included).

every mammal gets hangovers if they drink enough.

just sayin. [/quote]

Are you sayin what I think you’re sayin’?

Know’msayin?

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]metal.head wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.

I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]

Same…never had a hangover yet.[/quote]

it just means that you didnt drink quite enough to get one. water and vitamins might work for a 12 pack of beer or so, but once you are drinking over a bottle of booze in a night, hangovers are imminent and unavoidable.

i have never met one person who drinks a bottle a day that doesnt get hangovers (not that hangovers are their biggest problem at that point.)

i was a bartender for over 10 years, and i have never heard that from any power drinker ever (myself included).

every mammal gets hangovers if they drink enough.

just sayin. [/quote]

Are you sayin what I think you’re sayin’?

Know’msayin?
[/quote]
apparently you’ve had your 12 pack tonight already

[quote]metal.head wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.

I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]

Same…never had a hangover yet.[/quote]

it just means that you didnt drink quite enough to get one. water and vitamins might work for a 12 pack of beer or so, but once you are drinking over a bottle of booze in a night, hangovers are imminent and unavoidable.

i have never met one person who drinks a bottle a day that doesnt get hangovers (not that hangovers are their biggest problem at that point.)

i was a bartender for over 10 years, and i have never heard that from any power drinker ever (myself included).

every mammal gets hangovers if they drink enough.

just sayin. [/quote]

Cool story bro

Im pretty sure the raging alcoholics you know didnt take the time to drink enough water before they faceplanted into the couch the same way Mr Hungry didnt drink enough beer to get a hangover.

A hangover happens when the brain shrinks from dehydration and pulls on the layers of tissue (the part with pain receptors) that surround it. Drink enough water and that wont happen.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]metal.head wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.

I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]

Same…never had a hangover yet.[/quote]

it just means that you didnt drink quite enough to get one. water and vitamins might work for a 12 pack of beer or so, but once you are drinking over a bottle of booze in a night, hangovers are imminent and unavoidable.

i have never met one person who drinks a bottle a day that doesnt get hangovers (not that hangovers are their biggest problem at that point.)

i was a bartender for over 10 years, and i have never heard that from any power drinker ever (myself included).

every mammal gets hangovers if they drink enough.

just sayin. [/quote]

Cool story bro

Im pretty sure the raging alcoholics you know didnt take the time to drink enough water before they faceplanted into the couch the same way Mr Hungry didnt drink enough beer to get a hangover.

A hangover happens when the brain shrinks from dehydration and pulls on the layers of tissue (the part with pain receptors) that surround it. Drink enough water and that wont happen. [/quote]

it’s not that simple. hangovers are a lot more than just dehydration.

acetaldehyde, oxygen radicals, hydroxyethyl radicals, and adducts are nasty byproducts of intoxication that are unavoidable, in addition to increased cortisol levels system-wide.

drinking suppresses the cns and then it rebounds the next day, and when the cns is over excited, you become intolerant to light, noise, stress etc. in addition to nausea, sweating, increase in blood pressure etc

acetaldehyde and adducts affect hemoglobin, albumin, and even collagen, which are insanely important to normal physiology. lipid peroxidation happens in there too somewhere too, in the middle of the pathway, i think.

in addition to that, with the repetitive trauma from drinking, your nervous system develops neurological “wind up” which means that the pain pathways sprout more and more connections, creating more efficient pathways to transmit pain. so all these nociceptive pathways, which are now increasingly efficient transmit pain that much faster as time goes on. your nervous system remembers all this and there is an effect called “kindling” which makes all of the above even more efficient bc it is already primed to do the above.

in addition to the alcohol itself, lots of alcoholic beverages have “congeners” in them, which increase the prostaglandins which produce pain. thats why red wine hurts more than vodka.

the withdrawal effects of alcohol, which take place in the next day or so also set in. then you also have inflammatory effects of the alcohol, which mimic omega 6’s/arachadonic acid and they have the opposite effect of the omega 3s that we all take. so now you have body wide, cellular inflammation.

true that the wastoids i knew didnt take care of themselves, but even if you drink a pint of water for every shot you take and still drink a bottle of jack, you will be hungover the next day… and red wine, forget about it.

yes, drinking plenty of water will definitely, definitely help, but it’s only 1 piece of the puzzle.

there isnt a mammal on earth that doesnt have the capacity to have a hangover. doesnt exist. anyone who has never been hungover just didnt drink enough alcohol to have a hangover.

EDIT: grammar edited at 12:50 for clarity

What’s your opinion on drinking off a hangover? I’ve never been able to stomach having alcohol on a bad hangover, but i know some people who swear by it.

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
What’s your opinion on drinking off a hangover? I’ve never been able to stomach having alcohol on a bad hangover, but i know some people who swear by it.[/quote]

well, part of a hangover is actually the withdrawal from the alcohol itself. this is because it is physically addictive, just like caffeine, nicotine etc.

drinking a bit more alcohol the next day will alleviate some of the withdrawal effects, but you are also introducing more toxins to the system, so it is a very, very fine line, and it definitely represents the law of diminishing returns, so go easy.

if you are a weekend warrior and get all wasted with some stripper on friday night and you feel like ass on saturday, having a bloody mary or 2 that day spread out slowly with food, in addition to vitamins, water (like bonez mentioned) in addition to omega 3s, electrolytes, will help you back on your feet. you cant imagine drinking the next day bc you have “taste aversion”. some docs say to avoid hair of the dog altogether due to the risk of becoming a daily drinker, but to each its own.

when alcoholics go to rehab, they sometimes give them sedatives (benzos i think) to ramp down their nervous system, and there have been some trials where they have actually tapered them off with ethanol itself with better results than benzos. i’ll try to find that study, wherever i saw it.

if you are the sporadic drinker, you dont have much to worry about, but if you are a daily heavy drinker, alcohol withdrawal can kill you in the form of DTs, which is no joke. ask anyone who works in a hospital…its fuckin gnarly

if you plan on drinking, supplement with omega 3s, milk thistle, b vitamins, and alpha lipoic acid before you start bingeing. even if it doesnt make you feel that much better, you will stave off some damage.

prost!/slainte!/whatever haha

EDIT: be extremely careful with the NSAIDs (ibuprofen, tylenol, etc) for hangovers and in general…not only does tylenol combine with alcohol to damage your liver even more, NSAIDS are the 15th leading cause of death in the united states. yes, that bottle of advil in the cabinet represents the 15th leading cause of death in the US, and you dont even catch a buzz from it pffffft
/rant

[quote]metal.head wrote:

true that the wastoids i knew didnt take care of themselves, but even if you drink a pint of water for every shot you take and still drink a bottle of jack, you will be hungover the next day… and red wine, forget about it.[/quote]

T-Nation trial to settle this debate.
Any volunteers for this Saturday night? lol.

[quote]metal.head wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]metal.head wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.

I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]

Same…never had a hangover yet.[/quote]

it just means that you didnt drink quite enough to get one. water and vitamins might work for a 12 pack of beer or so, but once you are drinking over a bottle of booze in a night, hangovers are imminent and unavoidable.

i have never met one person who drinks a bottle a day that doesnt get hangovers (not that hangovers are their biggest problem at that point.)

i was a bartender for over 10 years, and i have never heard that from any power drinker ever (myself included).

every mammal gets hangovers if they drink enough.

just sayin. [/quote]

Cool story bro

Im pretty sure the raging alcoholics you know didnt take the time to drink enough water before they faceplanted into the couch the same way Mr Hungry didnt drink enough beer to get a hangover.

A hangover happens when the brain shrinks from dehydration and pulls on the layers of tissue (the part with pain receptors) that surround it. Drink enough water and that wont happen. [/quote]

it’s not that simple. hangovers are a lot more than just dehydration.

acetaldehyde, oxygen radicals, hydroxyethyl radicals, and adducts are nasty byproducts of intoxication that are unavoidable, in addition to increased cortisol levels system-wide.

drinking suppresses the cns and then it rebounds the next day, and when the cns is over excited, you become intolerant to light, noise, stress etc. in addition to nausea, sweating, increase in blood pressure etc

acetaldehyde and adducts affect hemoglobin, albumin, and even collagen, which are insanely important to normal physiology. lipid peroxidation happens in there too somewhere too, in the middle of the pathway, i think.

in addition to that, with the repetitive trauma from drinking, your nervous system develops neurological “wind up” which means that the pain pathways sprout more and more connections, creating more efficient pathways to transmit pain. so all these nociceptive pathways, which are now increasingly efficient transmit pain that much faster as time goes on. your nervous system remembers all this and there is an effect called “kindling” which makes all of the above even more efficient bc it is already primed to do the above.

in addition to the alcohol itself, lots of alcoholic beverages have “congeners” in them, which increase the prostaglandins which produce pain. thats why red wine hurts more than vodka.

the withdrawal effects of alcohol, which take place in the next day or so also set in. then you also have inflammatory effects of the alcohol, which mimic omega 6’s/arachadonic acid and they have the opposite effect of the omega 3s that we all take. so now you have body wide, cellular inflammation.

true that the wastoids i knew didnt take care of themselves, but even if you drink a pint of water for every shot you take and still drink a bottle of jack, you will be hungover the next day… and red wine, forget about it.

yes, drinking plenty of water will definitely, definitely help, but it’s only 1 piece of the puzzle.

there isnt a mammal on earth that doesnt have the capacity to have a hangover. doesnt exist. anyone who has never been hungover just didnt drink enough alcohol to have a hangover.

EDIT: grammar edited at 12:50 for clarity[/quote]

Good points. I didnt even think of the ‘cns rebound’

It could be gout, but I’ve never heard of it happening in the hands.

Drink water before you go to bed.