Joe Rogan Experience - Bernie Sanders

Maybe, but if so, they got everyone to go along with it. When I was growing up family and other older individuals I knew really pushed it. All the adult types told me that I needed to go to college if I wanted a good life.

It is nice making good money, but sometimes I feel like a slave with a white collar.

I am trying to treat my career, more how a pro football player should. Saving much more than my peers. I don’t know how long I’ll be able to put up with the corporate BS.

I don’t, haha. My parents are contributing zero dollars to my college.

Me.

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But do they need to?

Plenty of kids are staying in my town, yet living in dorms. This is just my point - why double the price when you don’t need to?

Overall though, I do agree with you. I don’t think all debt is 100% avoidable, I just think a lot of people could avoid at least some of it. That’s all I really cared to say.

IMO college was much more of a social education than an academic one. I rarely use what I learned at school, in my career field (engineering). When you stay in your smsll bubble by living at home, and going to school in your hometown I think you are missing out quite a bit.

That said, I totally agree that there are a plenty of ways to limit student debt and they are all readily available- scholarships, jobs, grants, living like a poor college student for a few years after school to pay down the loans, etc.

I think we might be assuming that the system doesn’t want students to be in debt.

What would you advise for the people whom don’t have a local college that offers what they want to do? Where I grew up I’d be driving 30 minutes each way to school. An hour in the winter.

Edit: worth noting that school would have also been one of the worst in the nation

Important to not underestimate they’re paying far more than your scholarships to keep you in college

They ALL don’t need to? Not everyone has parents that allow them to live there beyond 18. My wife was kicked out at 18 and me at 19.

I used to hear of parents who did this. I didn’t believe it. Then I met some people who had it happen to them. It just seems like an alien concept to me. The crazy thing is some of them have said how hard it was but that they were going to do the same to their kids. These people were far from poor. Then you think of those immigrants who come here and work like slaves so their kids can go to school.

It’s easy. If a Democrat proposes it it’s socialism. Trump giving farmers billions is just winning an easy trade war. And fucking grade A capitalism.

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Well my wife’s family is a bunch of pieces of work. In my experience, being kicked out was more of the ‘fire the guy because you know he’s looking for a new job’ kinda thing.

Those parents are fuckin whackadoodles. I believe in tough love too, but to plan it out ahead of time is bizarre.

I was never kicked out, but when I graduated college in 2010 and moved back home my parents charged me market rate rent, and only fed me 4 meals/week (dinners M-F). I didn’t have to pay utilities though, and was able to use their car, which was nice.

During that time I worked a 35hr/week day job, about 15hrs/week evenings, and then another 35hr/week graveyard shift at a gym. All free time was devoted to writing cover letters, job apps, networking, and job research. Pretty much just took naps, not full night sleeps. Finally got a job in my career field 8.5 long months later.

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Bailing out Wallstreet and then just letting them continue on with business was a terrible idea. If they were too big to fail, they should have been broken up. But that’s an entirely different discussion. It was a terrible idea, and makes a terrible precedent.

“We need doctors,” yeah but we don’t need Comrade Saunders largesse. I’d bet you dollars to donuts most doctors would vote to just keep a little more of what they earn, in the form of a tax write off, rather that get a handout from fearless leader. But then they wouldn’t be beholden to fearless leader!

It’s worth noting the relative pay → debt payment ratio makes it much more beneficial for ‘not doctors’ and the like.

I would have used school teachers as the much better example.

I listened to this on the commute today and my opinion on Bernie remains unchanged.

He’s great at pointing out problems but terrible at delivering solutions.

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Where I live they need a master’s.

I’ve heard this. My advisors want me to stay in a dorm. I see where they’re coming from, but I’m good. I’m close with my family, especially my siblings. I have a girlfriend, I hang out with friends a lot, I visit those who have gone on to college in other towns fairly often, I hang out with my coworkers. I also get along well with teachers. I think I’m good socially. And I’m in the honors program, NASA (Native American Student Association), and going to be in intermural soccer, so for me personally, I think I’m going to be fine socially. And as far as a small bubble in my hometown, I’m pretty used to “different” types of people. My family is very diverse, racially, religiously, politically, financially, etc. I used to live in Germany, and have gone on trips with friends to several big U.S. cities in the past couple years. I think I’ll be fine living at home for another few years, and doubt I’ll be missing out on a ton.

Yeah, these people will have to leave. For sure.

Where did you grow up? I’m just curious - in S.D., 30 min. drive is like nothing. I’m not saying it’s not a hassle/expense - I sure wouldn’t wanna do it, but a lot of people around here live in the middle of nowhere and view a 30-60 minute drive to get to anywhere - high school, work, college, church, etc. just as a mandatory part of life.

No! Not ALL!!! Just some dude. I got kicked out at 14 for a few months, and again when I was 17 for a year, after being expelled from high school my junior year. Rough time. Made amends and came back home. Am paying rent now, buying my own food, and on great terms with both of my parents (although not living with my dad).

Sorry, but I don’t quite understand what you’re saying here. Probably just being dumb but could you clarify?

I was speaking in generalities, not to your situation specifically (cause idk you). Some folks will benefit more than others from that “social education”… And I’m not really talking about your social skills.

FWIW few folks your age fully realizes the bubble they live in. We all thought we had diverse experiences, and knew diverse people. I wouldn’t be so sure of yourself to fully discount your advisors advice. Sounds like you’re doing well, I hope you keep it up.

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Well I definitely agree with that. Many I know made terrible decisions about the “free” money they were getting for loans. But now they are paying for it.

Sometimes no, but then also many feel that they need to step out on their own. And you can’t really say it’s unnecessary…who are we to tell them what they need for development?

In some cases you’re also looking for the highest ranked programs you can get into, and they’re not always in the backyard.

EDIT: see you responded to this in your reply to pfury

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Kudos for that. It’s always a shame when the split persists

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Gotcha, sorry, by social education, that’s what I thought you meant.

So what is this social education, since you are saying it isn’t really social skills?

And it seem odd that if you are now an engineer, your training didn’t really help you. Did you study something different and know perform engineering activities learned on the job?

Just curious about this post.

Mostly speaking to learning to live and get along with a lot of other folks 24/7. It’s a lot different to live with someone for a year than it is to simply hang around them. You learn traits and patterns you like, some that annoy, and how to deal daily. It is social skills and how to interact with different people, but it’s also learning yourself away from the influences you’ve had for the past 18 years. For example, it would probably be quite the social education to take this kid from S Dakota and have him go to school at Bama, or USC.

yes, I studied civil engineering in college, and I can probably count on my two hands the number of times I’ve used something I directly learned in school, on the job as a civil engineer. It’s all been on the job learning. The schooling is mostly to teach an analytical way of thinking, and to weed out (unsuccessfully at times) the dummies. IMO.