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Joe Rogan Experience - Bernie Sanders

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He looks like some dude who works in hardware

Didn’t he work as a carpenter at one point?

Good interview, but it would have been nice to see Joe challenge Bernie on some of the things he said.

For example, Bernie talked about expanding Medicare to cover everyone and he also talked about how a doctor he meet was $300K in debt (average debt is about $30k/student), but I know his M4A budget requires cutting payments to healthcare providers by 40%. He also tried to act like the governments only role in higher tuition was not supporting higher education when we know that’s not true.

They talked about $15/hour as a “living wage” and no one brings up automation.

At the end of the day, he’s a likable guy and he has a better grasp of the issues than a lot of politicians, but his solutions just don’t fly.

Was thinking about checking this cast out, think it would be interesting.

Agree with pretty much everything you said except this. Average medical school debt is over $200,000, across all medical schools, and probably closer to 250+ at the biggest and most prestigious.

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The $30K average debt, is IIRC for 4 year degrees.

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This was my takeaway.

Specifically the $15 living wage being presented as some magic solution when Joe asked about communities where jobs were lost. It doesn’t address the real problem, nothing mentioned about retraining or how to help people who are in dying industries. I know most around here hate UBI, but at least Andrew Yang has an idea and is focused on that problem.

He also talked about student loan crisis, but just giving everybody 4 years of free school doesn’t address how costs have increased so much for colleges lately and the training that is ignored at most schools (like trade specific jobs). I’ve heard much better solutions like what they do in Australia where school is “free” for a student but they pay back a percentage of their income for a certain number of years after they graduate if they make of a certain amount (~60K I think). This changes the incentives of the school to not just focus on enrollment numbers, but focus on getting kids good jobs because that’s where the school will be getting their money. Right now a school only cares about getting kids jobs if it impacts their enrollment numbers, and I would like to see that incentive changed. Purdue University has put a program together that has something like this set up:

https://purdue.edu/backaboiler/overview/index.html

I did enjoy the final question, Bernie will tell us all about the aliens lol. He’ll also legalize marijuana.

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Sure, but he was using the $300K med school example as if that’s the norm and not an outlier while advocating for debt forgiveness and extending college “for free” to everyone.

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Right. 63% of students with debt have <=$25K and 82% <=$50K. His example covers 1.36% of those with student loan debt and this is typical of his arguements.


So the $15 minimum wage has been brought up a few times already. Usually the argument against it, is that it will speed up automation because employers will have more incentive to automate. I buy that, but I don’t see any difference in in the overall efficiency of having a robot do something, and then redistributing the robot owners wealth, vs having a lower paid worker do it, and not redistributing the money.

The workers left over are probably doing a more complex job and deserve $15/hr. I say bring the automation full force.

My wife is a doctor with over $200,000 in student loan debt. I told her about the podcast and she finds the idea of the government wiping out her debt offensive. She borrowed the money, she will pay it back with interest. What would help would be a cap on the interest at a fair rate, say 4%, and letting her write off her payments on her income taxes.

It’s not offensive. We need doctors.

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I am sure the negotiation was “Let Benie speak”. That’s fine as a front runner I want to know what he thinks, he thinks they way things are and how it. I would like him to ask if he supported latest attempts Trump’s move to lower drug prices.

I honestly don’t understand how, not all, but a lot, of college students graduate with this much debt. I really don’t. Going to med school or any type of further schooling is another matter, but for the average student, I really don’t know how you do this.

I’m going to a public university, in my hometown, continuing to live at home with my mom, whom I pay rent to, and my school is $10k (if you live at home - dorm and meal plan double it) a year. Obviously based on intelligence, athletic ability, and financial need, some will get more help than others, but I got my entire schooling paid for through a few academic scholarships, and my girlfriend and some of my friends are going to the same college, and have $10k-$20k in their savings account and will continue working throughout college and plan to graduate with very little debt (they didn’t get many scholarships).

Others we graduated with are going to colleges in different towns, simply to get out of the house so they’re “free” and are therefore doubling their costs. Others are going to $50k a year colleges and just majoring in education or business or something that’s offered pretty much everywhere, but “the school is really nice.”

If more kids worked throughout high school, saved their money, applied for as many scholarships as possible, were willing to live at home if possible rather than leave so they can party more freely, and didn’t go to a more expensive college for the nicer dorms or when their planned career isn’t a real moneymaker, I don’t think nearly as many people would be in nearly as much debt.

It seems like you understand it pretty well based on the rest of your post.

I also graduated from a public college U of M (the Minnesota one), and lived at home. Graduated in 2012 (started in 2009). My first year tuition was 10K and a bit of change, my 3rd year was very near 15K. It is outrageous how much it went up. I would not be surprised if tuition alone is close to 20K. Throw in room and board, and it is 35K a year without much extras in the budget.

Pretty hard to pay that off while also attending class. Now imagine someone at a private university.

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Rogan rarely challenges his guests.

The Uk does something similar. We also have some of the best universities on earth, so clearly it doesn’t plummet quality.

Free at source healthcare however…

Your reply is nonsense, and you’re obviously trying to start an internet argument, but I’ll bite.

It’s offensive because she knew what she was doing when she took her loans, and she got a degree that will more than pay for itself. She doesn’t need a handout from a politician trying to buy votes with promises of handouts and freebies.

What would be better is if Medicare and Medicaid paid more than a pittance for her services, and didn’t force her to spend her time and money jumping through hoops every year. She’d prefer freedom to simply treat her patients, rather than handouts and more red tape.

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why is this it’s own thread? should just be a “Joe rogan podcast” thread

I live in S.D. and was strongly considering going here. If I’d been working I don’t think I would’ve had to leave with much debt.

I deliver newspapers in the morning. Up at 4am, every single day of the year. I’ve done this since I was 12 years old. This isn’t to boast, I’m just saying I plan on keeping it throughout college (if they continue to print newspapers, haha) because it makes it much easier to then go to class during the day. Pretty much the same as high school. I also work an extremely easy, PT, minimum wage job at the local YMCA a few days a week, and on Friday and Saturday nights, bounce at a nearby bar, which also pays minimum wage + tips.

My point is, I’ve worked a full time work week since I was 18, and at least 20 hours since I was 12. All throughout high school, I never once felt like I didn’t have enought time for homework or a social life either. I don’t see many people doing this, and I would be able to pay for all of my college tuition, if I had no scholarships.

Don’t go to a private university. This was one of my big points - if you can’t afford it, pick a cheaper college. I originally wanted to go to one - I believe it was $25k a year. It was only 45 minutes from home. I really wanted to, but decided against it, since I couldn’t afford that.

I don’t mean to pick a fight with you @mnben87 - I just think people could find a way to work around this. As I said, people come from a lot of different circumstances - different situations will lead to more or less scholarship money & financial aid. I am not an athlete at all, so I won’t be doing that, and my parents won’t be contributing any money at all to my tuituon. So I have to figure out what will work for me, and I have to be willing to work pretty hard to make it.