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Jihad In the Hadith

Sahih Bukhari:

Vol 4, bk. 52, no. 46

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The example of a Muhahid(holy warrior-one who wages jihad) in Allah’s Cause-and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause-is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that he will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty.”

Vol 4, bk. 52, no. 44:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.” Then he added, “Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?” The man said, “But who can do that?” Abu- Huraira added, “The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope.”

4.52.50

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, “A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah’s Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it.”

Sahih Muslim:

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Ibn ‘Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi’ inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before m". ing them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it was necessary in the early days of Islam. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi’ said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops.

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It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraid through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. [b]He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action.

If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them.[/b] Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of Muhairs and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajirs.

If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muilims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai’ except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya.

If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them. When you lay siege to a fort and the besieged appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not accord to them the guarantee of Allah and His Prophet, but accord to them your own guarantee and the guarantee of your companions for it is a lesser sin that the security given by you or your companions be disregarded than that the security granted in the name of Allah and His Prophet be violated When you besiege a fort and the besieged want you to let them out in accordance with Allah’s Command, do not let them come out in accordance with His Command, but do so at your (own) command, for you do not know whether or not you will be able to carry out Allah’s behest with regard to them.

To be continued…

Now wait…

someone will say it was mistranslated and/or taken out of context.

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Unfortunately, no Westerners want to believe that Islam is what it says it is. Chinese, Japanese, and other east Asians have no problem understanding. Neither do the Hindus. The biggest apologists for Islam are other Westerners. Learn from our downfall.

“They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba - died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.”

"Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.” Numbers 31:7-18 NLT

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. But these instructions apply only to distant towns, not to the towns of nations nearby. “As for the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing in them. You must completely destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you. This will keep the people of the land from teaching you their detestable customs in the worship of their gods, which would cause you to sin deeply against the LORD your God.” Deuteronomy 20:10-18 NLT

“If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.” Deuteronomy 22:28-29

“While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was discovered gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who caught him at it brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly. But they kept him in custody, for there was no clear decision as to what should be done with him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “This man shall be put to death; let the whole community stone him outside the camp.” So the whole community led him outside the camp and stoned him to death as the Lord had commanded Moses.” Numbers 15:32-36 NAB

“When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.” Exodus 21:20-21 NAB

“If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.” (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

“Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.” (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

"Should people cheat God? Yet you have cheated me! "But you ask, ‘What do you mean? When did we ever cheat you?’ “You have cheated me of the tithes and offerings due to me. You are under a curse, for your whole nation has been cheating me. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do,” says the LORD Almighty, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won’t have enough room to take it in! Try it! Let me prove it to you! Your crops will be abundant, for I will guard them from insects and disease. Your grapes will not shrivel before they are ripe,” says the LORD Almighty. (Malachi 3:8-11 NLT)
(Doesn’t it seem really stupid that an all-powerful God claims he can bring food and grapes to the masses but he can’t even feed himself?)

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)

After this, David subdued and humbled the Philistines by conquering Gath, their largest city. David also conquered the land of Moab. He made the people lie down on the ground in a row, and he measured them off in groups with a length of rope. He measured off two groups to be executed for every one group to be spared. The Moabites who were spared became David’s servants and brought him tribute money. (2 Samuel 8:1-2 NLT)

If after this you still refuse to listen and still remain hostile toward me, then I will give full vent to my hostility. I will punish you seven times over for your sins. You will eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters. I will destroy your pagan shrines and cut down your incense altars. I will leave your corpses piled up beside your lifeless idols, and I will despise you. I will make your cities desolate and destroy your places of worship, and I will take no pleasure in your offerings of incense. Yes, I myself will devastate your land. Your enemies who come to occupy it will be utterly shocked at the destruction they see. I will scatter you among the nations and attack you with my own weapons. Your land will become desolate, and your cities will lie in ruins. Then at last the land will make up for its missed Sabbath years as it lies desolate during your years of exile in the land of your enemies. Then the land will finally rest and enjoy its Sabbaths. As the land lies in ruins, it will take the rest you never allowed it to take every seventh year while you lived in it. (Leviticus 26:27-35 NLT)

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

Likewise, you wives should be subordinate to your husbands so that, even if some disobey the word, they may be won over without a word by their wives’ conduct when they observe your reverent and chaste behavior. (1 Peter 3:1-2 NAB)

You (God) fixed the earth on its foundation, never to be moved. (Psalm 104:5 NAB)

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

Whoever spoils his son will bind up his wounds, and will suffer heartache at every cry. An unbroken horse turns out stubborn, and an unchecked son turns out headstrong. Pamper a child, and he will terrorize you; play with him, and he will grieve you. Do not laugh with him, or you will have sorrow with him, and in the end you will gnash your teeth. Give him no freedom in his youth, and do not ignore his errors. Bow down his neck in his youth, and beat his sides while he is young, or else he will become stubborn and disobey you, and you will have sorrow of soul from him. Discipline your son and make his yoke heavy, so that you may not be offended by his shamelessness. (Sirach 30:7-13 NRS)

Then Jehoiada made a covenant between the LORD and the king and the people that they would be the LORD’s people. He also made a covenant between the king and the people. And all the people of the land went over to the temple of Baal and tore it down. They demolished the altars and smashed the idols to pieces, and they killed Mattan the priest of Baal in front of the altars. Jehoiada the priest stationed guards at the Temple of the LORD. Then the commanders, the Carite mercenaries, the guards, and all the people of the land escorted the king from the Temple of the LORD. They went through the gate of the guards and into the palace, and the king took his seat on the royal throne. (2 Kings 11:17-19 NLT)

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse. (1 Peter 2:18 NAB)

Wives, be subordinate to your husbands, as is proper in the Lord. (Colossians 3:18 NAB)

So this is what the LORD Almighty says about them: “I will punish them! Their young men will die in battle, and their little boys and girls will starve. Not one of these plotters from Anathoth will survive, for I will bring disaster upon them when their time of punishment comes.” (Jeremiah 11:22-23 NLT)

Withhold not chastisement from a boy; if you beat him with a rod he will not die. Beat him with the rod, and you will save him from the nether world. (Proverbs 23:13-14 NAB)

So it is with a woman who leaves her husband and presents him with an heir by another man. For first of all, she has disobeyed the law of the Most High; second, she has committed an offense against her husband; and third, through her fornication she has committed adultery and brought forth children by another man. She herself will be brought before the assembly, and her punishment will extend to her children. Her children will not take root, and her branches will not bear fruit. (Sirach 23:22-25 NRSV)

Blessings are for the head of the just, but a rod for the back of the fool. (Proverbs 10:6 NAB)

If your enemy be hungry, give him food to eat, if he be thirsty, give him to drink; For live coals you will heap on his head, and the Lord will vindicate you. (Proverbs 25:21-22 NAB)

Now wait… someone will say we’re not talking about Christianity, we’re talking about Islam.

If Islam is inherently evil, so is Christianity. Get over it.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Unfortunately, no Westerners want to believe that Islam is what it says it is. Chinese, Japanese, and other east Asians have no problem understanding. Neither do the Hindus. The biggest apologists for Islam are other Westerners. Learn from our downfall. [/quote]

WTF are you talking about? In unmodernized nations, any religion will kick and scream at all the others, demonizing them if at all possible, to establish dominance.

I don’t know anyone who apologizes for extremism. I know plenty of people who apologize for the commoners getting their asses killed who’re still thought of as evil scum because they worship Allah and his prophet.

[quote]Chushin wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others…

Interesting irony here.[/quote]

excellent

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - …

Now wait… someone will say we’re not talking about Christianity, we’re talking about Islam.

If Islam is inherently evil, so is Christianity. Get over it.
[/quote]

That Old Testament god was a bad ass and doesn’t jibe with Christ’s teachings or actions.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:

Now wait… someone will say we’re not talking about Christianity, we’re talking about Islam.

If Islam is inherently evil, so is Christianity. Get over it.[/quote]

This sentiment makes it into any thread discussing Islam as a culture and a religion - and it is false every time.

Christianity might be less evil, it might be more evil - it doesn’t matter. Direct comparisons aren’t possible - the religions are too different. It isn’t apples to apples.

Large sweeping pronouncements on “religion” treating religions essentially the same accomplish nothing, and religions don’t operate on the same determinist path towards a predictable future - think “Islam is what Christianity was 1000 years ago”.

Absolute nonsense - there is no determinist “path” and the religions not only have very different tenets, but different histories and theology as well.

Comparisons might be useful to highlight differences, but Christianity and Islam are very different, and those differences can’t be glossed over for the sake of wanting to be politically correct about Islam.

I don’t fully agree with this:

…but there is a kernel of merit in it: Westerners seem afraid to pierce the veil of political correctness, for fear of hurting Islam’s feelings.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Direct comparisons aren’t possible - the religions are too different. [/quote]

No they aren’t. Besides that trinity vs. unicity, the religions are essentially the same.

[quote]lixy wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Direct comparisons aren’t possible - the religions are too different.

No they aren’t. Besides that trinity vs. unicity, the religions are essentially the same.[/quote]

Except Christ was a pacifist and Muhammed was a warrior and slaver.

These are key differences.

[quote]lixy wrote:

No they aren’t. Besides that trinity vs. unicity, the religions are essentially the same.[/quote]

Yes, they are quite different:

  1. Nature of the prophet

  2. Theology of interpretation - strict textualism versus allegory

  3. Development and direction as paired with a particular culture

  4. Old and New Testament

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
lixy wrote:

No they aren’t. Besides that trinity vs. unicity, the religions are essentially the same.

Yes, they are quite different:

  1. Nature of the prophet

  2. Theology of interpretation - strict textualism versus allegory

  3. Development and direction as paired with a particular culture

  4. Old and New Testament

[/quote]

  1. Reformation

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Yes, they are quite different:

  1. Nature of the prophet [/quote]

Indeed. Mohamed was merely a man (albeit a remarkable one).
Jesus’ birth in itself was a miracle and his life, according to the Islamic tradition, was void of all sins.

Huh? Whose interpretation are you talking about?

There’s no papal entity in Islam, you know.

True. But how does that refute my statement that “the religions are essentially the same”?

If we’re gonna throw random words, here: Mundane lycopene isotropic banana.

Make your point or stop wasting bandwidth.

[quote]lixy wrote:

Indeed. Mohamed was merely a man (albeit a remarkable one).
Jesus’ birth in itself was a miracle and his life, according to the Islamic tradition, was void of all sins.[/quote]

One was a warrior bent on conquest, the other was a pacifist.

[quote]Huh? Whose interpretation are you talking about?

There’s no papal entity in Islam, you know.[/quote]

The papacy is irrelevant - Christianity has a theology of trying to balance literal interpretation with allegory throughout its history of interpretation, whereas the Quran not so much.

Nope, because there is nothing “essentially the same” about not being tethered and tested by Western civilization’s rationalism, skepticism, Enlightenment ideas, Reformation ideas, and self-criticism. Christianity has this, Islam doesn’t.

Old and New Testament - differing interpretations of Christian Gospel between the two canons forces searching and difficult questions about the Gospel even within the religion. It forces a debate, it forces thinking. Couple the internal pressure to have a debate on what Christianity means with external pressures (see #3), and you have a very different religion than Islam, which has none of it.

[quote]lixy wrote:

Make your point or stop wasting bandwidth.[/quote]

Oh, and to note your point: given your bumbling around PWI and refusing to debate in good faith, do you really want to whine about someone wasting bandwith?

Notice we keep coming back to “bad faith” with you, and yet, you remain silent on it?

[quote]hedo wrote:
5. Reformation [/quote]

What part of essentially don’t you understand?

[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
5. Reformation

What part of essentially don’t you understand?[/quote]

Cheese and gold are essentially the same.

[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
5. Reformation

What part of essentially don’t you understand?[/quote]

I understand that “essentially” you are a douchebag and remain befuddled. I understand your Cyber Jihad is a lost cause on T-Nation. Kind of like AQ in Iraq.

Do you understand that?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - …

Now wait… someone will say we’re not talking about Christianity, we’re talking about Islam.

If Islam is inherently evil, so is Christianity. Get over it.

That Old Testament god was a bad ass and doesn’t jibe with Christ’s teachings or actions.[/quote]

Non sequitur. Christianity might be the most evil, violent religion in the world. It still has nothing logically to do with a discussion about Islam. Why don’t you who want to discuss the conquest of Canaan and Levitical laws start another thread? This discussion is about “Jihad in the Hadith”.