They will have to move , to where you propose? You will be displacing large amounts of people. Not everyone will consent.
I try not to equate many of the topics in PWI with overt religious aspects. There have been a couple of posters here in the past, that have done so with every thread and post. It seems the wrong venue to be so insistent.
That said, looking politically and economically at Israel, there is little to commend it as any kind of a shining star- small, weak, isolated, poor. But when the Jewish religion is flourishing, it is the opposite - rich, powerful, influential. The attention lavished on Israel in its travails is worldwide, intense, and constant.
My ‘religious’ answer is that G-d has ordained it so, had it written down as so, and verily causes it to be so. ’
Israel has an importance that has been placed on it from a spiritual standpoint. The world can be in denial or even in hostility to that reason, but politically it can’t avoid it.
Annexing the lands to Egypt and Jordan would not require movement. The West bank becomes part of Jordan, the Gaza strip part of Egypt. That doesn’t require anybody to move.
What about the Jewish population? Would they be happy living in Jordan (presumably a minority) . Forgive my ignorance. Sorry of course it would be their own state.
The fact that any Israelite would even want to live in Gaza or the West Bank is already gobsmacking to me. Like I said, the idea is a seedling. Were it to actually grow roots and take off with the powers that be, then such issues would certainly need to be dealt with. I imagine land trades and such would be involved in resolving them.
As already noted, I grew up in Gush Katif, which is in what is called the Gaza Strip. My family had greenhouses and we supplied tons of insecticide-free organic produce to Israel and Europe. It’s white sand beaches, blue water, and easily the prettiest spot on the entire Mediterranean coast. We lived and worked just fine with the Bedouin Muslims.
It was a Jewish town for hundred of years until 1929 when the first attempt at ethnic cleansing by the Arabs took place. We reestablished our homes on undisputedly-purchased land in 1967.
Anyway, Gush and the Gaza strip in general is fantastic. Good weather, great beaches, and great access to the main two tourist areas there – Eqypt on one side and Jerusalem on the other, with a pristine beach. Used to be great casinos and beach hotels.
THAT is why people wanted to live there.
It’s now just a shithole of barbed wire and land mines, the pointless theft of which makes me live in the USA.
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I read a whole series of your posts. Couple of things:
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The Arabs in occupied Judea and Samaria have received, per capita, more foreign aid than any group of people on the face of the Earth, many times over. As with most such aid anywhere, it has been squandered, misdirected, stolen and when used as intended created a culture of dependency.
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Not sure if you are aware, but for Israeli citizens, all law applies the same, just like in the USA, be they Arab-Muslim, Arab-Christian, Jewish, Secular, Druze, or anything else. The only distinction is Arab-Muslim Israelis are not subject to the draft, although most join. (There is also Affirmative Action type programs for Arab-Muslims, with the usual deleterious effect of such programs.)
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I am aware of that, but if Idi Amin can get a resolution passed that lasts 16 years, you can’t seriously expect me to treat a in resolution with much gravitas.
One (among many) of those anti-Semitic Depots that I mentioned.
Yeah, I choose this one particularly, as he kidnapped an entire plane full of Israeli citizens. (As well as being a possible cannibal)
A 16 year resolution borne from such a man should speak for itself, to be honest.
It’s too easy to simply say ‘the UN has passed some crap resolutions, therefore all UN resolutions are crap.’ We can be more discerning than that.
Sure, how about:
“Even a blind pig finds an acorn, now and again.” or
“Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.”
A strong plurality of what the UN says and does is dross. No reason to pick through their garbage.
And given the UN’s particularly pathetic track record WRT Israel, no reason to pay them any attention.
I doubt we would exist but for the UN.
There is a film about his personal doctor . It’s called The Last King of Scotland. Forest Whitaker play Idi Amin and James McAvoy is the doctor. It’s quite good.
I promise this is the last clip I will post in this thread…Maybe.
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My broader point was the inability of the UN to resist despotic power blocs, but I agree that we need to be more discerning. We do, however, need to be aware of the potential for abuse in the UN by merit of its structure.
I suppose that just leaves us with the Geneva Conventions, then.
I agree.
ED, I think you’ve given us the Internet’s perfect example of circular reasoning.
I thought this might be interesting for people with an interest in the resolutions.
Not sure what you mean, as Geneva Conventions =/= UN. Further, Israel’s actions in the OT have been found to be in violation of international law by the International Court of Justice (also =/= UN).