[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Jesus was more of a peace and love type.[/quote]
Unless you were a fig tree.
But then again, everyone knows God Hates Figs.
Thunderbolt, Im glad you know so much about “Islamism”.
[quote]pookie wrote:
But then again, everyone knows God Hates Figs.[/quote]
Baaaahahahahahahaha!
I thought it was “God Hates Frogs.”
N’est ce pas?
After Mohammed had his revelations, he tried to take his message first to jews and christians. He valued jews highly since they (and christians) were his inspiration. Sadly, jews didn’t see things as he did. I suspect they must have been very unrespectful toward poor Mohammed. That’s a shame, since he ceased to like them after that.
Anyway, like americans, muslims too like big and flashy words and polarized rethorics. Jihad is a good and strong word, since it point’s inside and outside at the same time. Thirty years back in time jihad was mainly a rethoric tool. It’s been kind of fun to watch how Hussein, Gaddafi and other former arab socialists have turned to quran for guidance.
The reasons for the rise and lure of islamism are not to be found in the quran. It provides tools for the muslim agitator, but the reasons for the act of agitation are not revealed in quran and neither is the reason why that act of agitation is so successful just now. The whole situation makes me think of liberte, fraternite, egalite and guillotins. Emotions.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
jarvis wrote:
The Bible calls for the slaying of innocent children, and thousands upon millions of Americans and others to be killed.
This includes: Every Gay man, every rebellious teenager, everybody who does anything but pray on Sundays, anybody who does not believe in God, anybody who blasphemes the Holy Spirit (the only offense even Jesus Christ could not bring himself to forgive), and many, many more.
These things are not happening, as the things described in the Koran are. But does that make the BOOK any less evil? Nope.
It’s all about interpretation. You say Jesus wasn’t a soldier; neither was Mohammed. He was, actually, a merchant. Just like Jesus was a carpenter (at some point).
Christianity has an even greater history or oppressing others and killing in the name of God than Islam. Islams evilness is just more current.
Some Muslims are evil.
Some Christians are evil.
Not all Muslims are evil.
Not all Christians are evil.
Both books containing equally disgusting, as well as equally insightful words.
If you compare the books, not the people, they stand on equal ground.
Even comparing the people, the religion is used more as an excuse for war than anything else. I don’t believe for one second Osama Bin Laden is attacking America and hates America solely because he believes the Koran tells him to. In fact, I say it has very little to do with his actual decision making, and all to do with his recruitment. Certainly, it plays some role, but I don’t believe it it’s as big a role as many people like to think.
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Oro, beowulf
A suggested read would be Clash of Civilizations by Samuel P Huntington. Basically, the rise in Islamism is due to globalization and the aforementioned Clash of Civilization. While posing some rather controversial theories regarding post-Cold War conflict it provides good insight into.
Regarding the Qu’ran one thing that I found peculiar and that I discussed with a then devout Muslim friend of mine was that the Qu’ran (I read most of it) was big on " direct instructions" while the Bible, the New Testament in particular, was big on philosophy and rhetoric. Oddly enough my Muslim friend agreed with my assertion.
Direct instructions from God, the Qu’ran being His unaltered eternal word, or the reference to Jews and Christians as kufr, certainly won’t dissuade Islamists from hating the West and continue with terrorism. Although there’s an abrogration principle (Naskh), and supplementary Hadiths, sometimes it might just be easier for a Muslim to take words of the Qu’ran for face value.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Jesus was more of a peace and love type.
Unless you were a fig tree.
But then again, everyone knows GodHatesFigs.com[/quote]
You’re way off again, Pookster. Check Mark 5:13 -
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.
Clearly, the J-man has issues with PIGS.
Islam is the fastest growing world religion because muslim people want to be told how to live, dress, act, and so on. It also allows them to be violent toward those of another religion or to those who don’t follow the script, which fills the basic human need of violence.
Western culture tends to tell people to be individuals, choose your own lifestyle, be happy for yourself. We generally don’t act like bees or ants, like the muslims do. Therefore, not wanting to think for themselves, muslims choose a strict religion.
I predict that the next great war will be between cultures, with the USA, China, Europe (incl Russia) having a fight to the death with the Islamic world. The past few years have just been a prologue to the far greater and bloodier war ahead.
I agree with you Headhunter, if you check out a map, every muslim country which borders a non-muslim country there exists a state of war.
March to Teran!! Leave None alive!!!
"To compare the morals of the Old, with those of the New Testament, would require an attentive study of the former, a search through all its books for its precepts, and through all its history for its practices, and the principles they prove.
As commentaries, too, on these, the philosophy of the Hebrews must be inquired into, their Mishna, their Gemara, Cabbala, Jezirah, Sohar, Cosri, and their Talmud, must be examined and understood, in order to do them full justice.
Brucker, it would seem, has gone deeply into these repositories of their ethics, and Enfield, his epitomizer, concludes in these words:
[i]"Ethics were so little understood among the Jews, that in their whole compilation called the Talmud, there is only one treatise on moral subjects. Their books of morals chiefly consisted in a minute enumeration of duties.
From the law of Moses were deduced six hundred and thirteen precepts, which were divided into two classes, affirmative and negative, two hundred and forty-eight in the former, and three hundred and sixty-five in the latter.
It may serve to give the reader some idea of the low state of moral philosophy among the Jews in the middle age, to add that of the two hundred and forty-eight affirmative precepts, only three were considered as obligatory upon women, and that in order to obtain salvation, it was judged sufficient to fulfil any one single law in the hour of death; the observance of the rest being deemed necessary, only to increase the felicity of the future life.
What a wretched depravity of sentiment and manners must have prevailed, before such corrupt maxims could have obtained credit! It is impossible to collect from these writings a consistent series of moral doctrine."[/i] Enfield, B. 4., chapter 3.
It was the reformation of this “wretched depravity” of morals which Jesus undertook…"
–Thomas Jefferson to John Adams - October 13, 1813
From the Talmud:
Chapter II. Christians are to be Exterminated
Art. 1. Christians to be Harmed Indirectly
- By not helping them
- By interfering in their work
- By deceit in legal matters
- By harming them in things necessary for life
Art. 2. Christians to be Harmed Directly
- Renegades to be killed
- Apostates
- Princes especially the Prince of Rome (the Pope) to be exterminated
- All Christians to be killed
- Killing a Christian is an acceptable sacrifice to God
- Heaven promised to those who kill Christians
- A Christian may be beheaded on the most solemn festivals
- The Messiah expected will be revengeful
- Jewish prayers against Christians
- Christian prayers for the Jews
“Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees”
Matthew 16:6
However, that was kind of the point I was making earlier. Even though most Christians, and Westerners in general, probably will reject the idea, there’s not a dinar’s worth of difference between the Quran and the Hebrew Bible, nor, by extension between Islam and Judaism.
It’s only that the Jews are far less numerous, better educated, by and large more liberal, and firmly entrenched in popular culture (meaning they have great PR) that lets us see them as relatively innocuous as compared to Muslims, not to mention the fact that we in the West are still nursing a collective guilty conscience for having tried our hardest to exterminate them for the past ten centuries (a fact that the Jews and their PR machine will make sure we Never Forget).
But I guarantee you that if the Jews comprised a quarter of the world’s population, and they controlled the oil, and they surrounded a tiny Muslim nation carved by force out of their erstwhile territory and armed to the teeth by a foreign superpower, the situation would be precisely the same as it is today, except that the Jews would be the terrorist enemy, and the Muslims would be our beleaguered friends and allies.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
From the Talmud:
Chapter II. Christians are to be Exterminated
Art. 1. Christians to be Harmed Indirectly
- By not helping them
- By interfering in their work
- By deceit in legal matters
- By harming them in things necessary for life
Art. 2. Christians to be Harmed Directly
- Renegades to be killed
- Apostates
- Princes especially the Prince of Rome (the Pope) to be exterminated
- All Christians to be killed
- Killing a Christian is an acceptable sacrifice to God
- Heaven promised to those who kill Christians
- A Christian may be beheaded on the most solemn festivals
- The Messiah expected will be revengeful
- Jewish prayers against Christians
- Christian prayers for the Jews
“Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees”
Matthew 16:6[/quote]
And after 2000 years, this successful campaign of Christian extermination can be summed up thus:
[center]Christians: 2,000,000,000
Jews: 21,000,000[/center]
…or 95 Christians for every Jew.
Are all the other evil Zionist plots you keep posting everywhere similarly successful?
Wonder what version of the Talmud references killing Christians? Perhaps a revised one?
Seems Judiasm is a little older then Christianity.
Minor detail.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Wonder what version of the Talmud references killing Christians? Perhaps a revised one?
Seems Judiasm is a little older then Christianity.
Minor detail.[/quote]
I was wondering the same thing.
[quote]blck3jack wrote:
March to Teran!! Leave None alive!!![/quote]
Where is Teran?
[quote]hedo wrote:
Wonder what version of the Talmud references killing Christians? Perhaps a revised one?
Seems Judiasm is a little older then Christianity.
Minor detail.[/quote]
The Talmud is a collection of rabbinic thoughts about the Tanakh (which includes the Torah). It is not the “Bible,” but rather various interpretations and discussions about the Jewish “Bible” and jewish laws and theology. As such, it has seen additions over the years.
It can probably be compared to the Hadiths vis-a-vis the Quran. Although I believe Hadiths are also “closed” as far as additions go.
In Christianity, a similar example would be the writings of Saint Thomas Aquinas who are believed by Catholics to be inspired and valid in interpreting various passages of the Bible.
Disclaimer: I am not a theologian, I just play one on the internet. 
Most Jews are secular/aethist and reject the ridiculous, ass-backwards teaching of their sick religion.
Orthodox/hasidic judaism teaches that jews are superior and gives jewish people the right to treat non-Jews like sh*t. Walk through any orthodox or hasidic Jewish neighborhood in NYC and you’ll quickly see this in practice.
In israel Christians are routinely spit on by jews. Punishment for evangelizing in Israel? Automatic 4 years in prison. Just a couple of things you’ll never hear in the media. Wonder why…
Thankfully most Jews are secular and pretty cool for the most part (non-Zionists of course).
[quote]pookie wrote:
And after 2000 years, this successful campaign of Christian extermination can be summed up thus:
[center]Christians: 2,000,000,000
Jews: 21,000,000[/center]
…or 95 Christians for every Jew.
Are all the other evil Zionist plots you keep posting everywhere similarly successful?
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Maybe you should be asking why such a small group of people are so overwhelmingly represented in practically every area except sports and labor - being that they’ve been so hated and all over the centuries.
On the backs of the gullible…
“It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.”
– Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister
Are Jews born smart?
The Jerusalem Post
Nov. 29, 2005
Ashkenazi Jews are genetically intellectually superior to everyone else. This is the conclusion of a recent “scientific” study entitled Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence…
I’ll bet if they were REALLY that smart, they’d get their enemies to fight EACH OTHER.
[quote]pookie wrote:
hedo wrote:
Wonder what version of the Talmud references killing Christians? Perhaps a revised one?
Seems Judiasm is a little older then Christianity.
Minor detail.
The Talmud is a collection of rabbinic thoughts about the Tanakh (which includes the Torah). It is not the “Bible,” but rather various interpretations and discussions about the Jewish “Bible” and jewish laws and theology. As such, it has seen additions over the years.
It can probably be compared to the Hadiths vis-a-vis the Quran. Although I believe Hadiths are also “closed” as far as additions go.
In Christianity, a similar example would be the writings of Saint Thomas Aquinas who are believed by Catholics to be inspired and valid in interpreting various passages of the Bible.
Disclaimer: I am not a theologian, I just play one on the internet.
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Thanks Pookie. Chapter 2 seems like it would be one of the early chapters so is it possible this revision actually doesn’t come from the Jews. I’ve never seen that passage and it seems to me something that inflamatory might have got a little press.
For example “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, of which JTF has based his life’s work on, was written by the Russian NKVD rather then Jews.
[quote]hedo wrote:
For example “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, of which JTF has based his life’s work on, was written by the Russian NKVD rather then Jews.
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I’m sure it probably was the Russians
http://www.codoh.com/zionweb/zionchurch.html
But what the hell would Winston Churchill know about anything…